This is why people say, "If it's not Boeing, I'm not going...."

[Richard Cranium]

Why Air France 447 Crashed


Interesting opinion by Captain Sullenberger. This is an excellent video about the AF A-330 crash.
It's not very long, but excellent in content.



https://www.youtube.com/embed/kERSSRJant0?feature=player_detailpage

 

[70rr-brian]

Those stick controls...holy Jeebus what a bad design.

 

[Moparsmitty]

Passenger aircraft from the same country that builds Renault, Peugeot, Citroen............

 

[paladin06]

That's why I work for Boeing.

 

[satman72]

Isn't Boeing going to sidestick on their new planes?

 

[J5 GTX]

Isn't Boeing going to sidestick on their new planes?

They may be going to side stick and my guess is that they will be synchronized, along with throttle levers that actually mimic the amount of power the engines are supposed to be putting out.
I've studied that AF447 accident and there are several things that are just mind baffling in design features.
And I will say that ultimately, the problem is that today's pilots are trained to "systems managers" and not "pilots". This isn't just my opinion it's starting to become a mainstream topic in the aviation industry.

 

[Budnicks]

Why Air France 447 Crashed


Interesting opinion by Captain Sullenberger. This is an excellent video about the AF A-330 crash.
It's not very long, but excellent in content.



https://www.youtube.com/embed/kERSSRJant0?feature=player_detailpage

IMHFO & I know almost nothing about flying but logic dictates, the moral is, don't fly Air France or an Air Bus it seems, at-least until the Pilots are actually trained properly, to fly them... wasn't the old gray haired guy, the guy/pilot who crashed landed in the Hudson River, out side of New York shortly after take off ??

 

[scotts74birds]

Not a pilot, but always a "wanna-be" that follows aviation. Why is cockpit control not standardized? Step 1. They say in any emergency, the first thing is to "FLY" the plane. F the indicators, keep the attitude level, and work from there. Any idiot could tell that at engine-output, the artificial-horizon, and the altimeter, the plane was flying normally. Yes, all speed-sensor failure is unheard-of. But if engines are normal, and plane responds to gentle up-and-down motions of the elevator, then focus on flying the plane, and not responding to the indicator.

 

[Photon440]

Passenger aircraft from the same country that builds Renault, Peugeot, Citroen............

Not to forget countries that build Porche, Audi, BMW, Mercedes....and with the Mobile, Alabama Airbus plant, a lot of American car names.

 

[NJRR]

Yup, that was him. I live along the Hudson River and saw the plane in the water. Just mind-boggling that he landed it whole. He is a true American hero !!!

IMHFO & I know almost nothing about flying but logic dictates, the moral is, don't fly Air France or an Air Bus it seems, at-least until the Pilots are actually trained properly, to fly them... wasn't the old gray haired guy, the guy/pilot who crashed landed in the Hudson River, out side of New York shortly after take off ??

 

[69a100]

And I will say that ultimately, the problem is that today's pilots are trained to "systems managers" and not "pilots". This isn't just my opinion it's starting to become a mainstream topic in the aviation industry.

This is so true it's scary. As a aviator in the A.F. and we joke with the Flt. Engineers that, "Even a monkey can flip a switch when a light comes on" applies here.

 

[satman72]

Funny thing is, Sully was flying an Airbus when he landed on the Hudson.

 

[rp23g7]

Isn't Boeing going to sidestick on their new planes?

No, no sidestick plans for the future

I am a 787 Functional Test tech in Everett, my team tests flight controls and landing gear. The 787 has fly by wire, but a set of traditional flight controls. Its all connected mechanically under the floor in the fwd electronics bay.

We have a test called Pilot Controls, the fwd fuselage comes from Spirit already rigged, but we check the rigging again. We put rig pins in and check the adjustment, then we check the rig data in the flight deck.

We oppose each other on the controls, one column fwd, one back, one wheel right, the other left. Its really the anti suicide test, if you remember a few yrs ago, the 767 that crashed into the ocean, because the co pilot couldn't over come the pilots dive on the controls.

The 787 controls take 50 lbs of force to over come the other control, and it is designed to take the second command, and ignore the next command if it comes within a few seconds with more force.

 

[satman72]

Thanks for that update!

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

That's why I work for Boeing.

Apaches in Mesa? What do you do there?

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Passenger aircraft from the same country that builds Renault, Peugeot, Citroen............

Ummm...Boeing has a plant in China. How's that make you feel? I prefer cheese-eating surrender monkeys building planes over slave/child labor...and as said, a lot of Airbus work is done here in the States.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that the Tanker decision was reversed, but just because Boeing is an 'American' company doesn't make everything peachy except at the superficial, xenophobic level.

Here's a sweet nugget I hope pisses you off (yes, diff company, but same idea)...my favorite line:

"Sure, GE is based in the U.S., but that doesn't mean its shareholders expect it to be loyal to U.S. interests"

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/01/18/is-ge-arming-china-to-compete-with-america/

Capitalism at its finest.

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

We have a test called Pilot Controls, the fwd fuselage comes from Spirit already rigged, but we check the rigging again. We put rig pins in and check the adjustment, then we check the rig data in the flight deck.

You see the news about the Dreamlifter landing at the wrong airfield while picking up the 41 Section? We got quite a kick out of it down here...

 

[rp23g7]

You see the news about the Dreamlifter landing at the wrong airfield while picking up the 41 Section? We got quite a kick out of it down here...

yeah, how does that happen these days? Some pilot should lose their job>

 

[Dan]

Every time I fly I try not to remember that the plane was built by the low bidder!!

 

[J5 GTX]

Funny thing is, Sully was flying an Airbus when he landed on the Hudson.

There are some aviation experts that think if Sully had been flying a Boeing; the Hudson incident would not have happened. When the geese hit the engines, they damaged some engine sensors and damaged the engines. The computer, wrongly, sensing the engine were overtemping, reduced engine power to idle. There was nothing that the pilots could do (quick enough) to override that. Analyst believe the engines were still capable of making enough thrust to get the aircraft to a suitable airport. In a Boeing , such as a 737, the throttle levers have a more direct relationship to the engines. The pilot could command the thrust needed.

 

[HT413]

I'm no pilot but i do understand the importance of the power of observation and the need to follow chain of command. To me, once the plane stopped responding to their input as it should, the pilot must be summoned. Immediately.