We Bet F-150 Lightning's Range Is under 100 Miles when Towing at the Max

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I won't claim to be a battery expert, I was merely passing along some articles regarding people who had positive results from them. I'm sure you're right, it was likely a new truck since they weren't out on the market very long. And if the battery dies, like gasoline engines also eventually die, where does that 30K figure come from? It's under 3K from this dealer.
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How much for a replacement 392 in a Charger? Over $10,000 from Mopar.
 

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Yep. Electric vehicles for city dwellers that don’t tow anything.
I don't think I would ever buy one but it would work good for me. Got to have a pick up for trips to Menards and to the yard waste site. I pull my JD rider around on my small trailer. A gasser is the way to go for me.
 

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If you get going fast enough and don't get caught would the range be expanded.
There are more practical ways of getting electric vehicles down the road than batteries. I wouldn't even be opposed to the hyper loop if a vehicle could be parked in a pod.
 

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I won't claim to be a battery expert, I was merely passing along some articles regarding people who had positive results from them. I'm sure you're right, it was likely a new truck since they weren't out on the market very long. And if the battery dies, like gasoline engines also eventually die, where does that 30K figure come from? It's under 3K from this dealer.
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How much for a replacement 392 in a Charger? Over $10,000 from Mopar.
I see a 3.5L V6 in the discription also. So that would not make this the full electric model. You really want to spend 3k on a battery? For a gas truck.
 

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I see a 3.5L V6 in the discription also. So that would not make this the full electric model. You really want to spend 3k on a battery? For a gas truck.
Sorry, you're correct in that it seems I put up an image for the hybrid version. I don't know if I'd want to spend 3k on a battery, it would depend on how much of a difference it made to actual fuel mileage. A friend just bought an old hybrid, Honda Insight cheap, because the battery no longer works after 17 years. Bypassing the battery means he has a 50 mpg. car while if he gets the battery replaced and spends $2,000 (local aftermarket cost, installed, not from Honda) the mileage will be closer to 80 mpg. So he has to figure out how much driving he'll need to do to make it cost effective.

As for a new Ford truck, it has an 8 year battery warranty, and they're not likely wanting to replace them so I'm sure that 8 years is conservative. If they are indeed 30K right now, looking at past trends would indicate a lower price than that several years down the road. All in all, the average battery for cars that have been on the road for a long time has been pretty reliable, save for the Nissan Leaf that had troubles due to being air cooled instead of liquid cooled.
 

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I won't claim to be a battery expert, I was merely passing along some articles regarding people who had positive results from them. I'm sure you're right, it was likely a new truck since they weren't out on the market very long. And if the battery dies, like gasoline engines also eventually die, where does that 30K figure come from? It's under 3K from this dealer.
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How much for a replacement 392 in a Charger? Over $10,000 from Mopar.
Pffft.....
You'll never get the equivalent miles out of an EV battery that you get from a gas motor and certainly not that of a diesel. I have 382,000 on my 5.7 Ram 1500. I had a Chevy that went 369,000 before I rebuilt it. A replacement 5.7 at the dealer can be had for $5500. No EV battery will cost less than that.
 

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Pffft.....
You'll never get the equivalent miles out of an EV battery that you get from a gas motor and certainly not that of a diesel. I have 382,000 on my 5.7 Ram 1500. I had a Chevy that went 369,000 before I rebuilt it. A replacement 5.7 at the dealer can be had for $5500. No EV battery will cost less than that.
It's always true that rebuilt engines can cost less. But the average EV costs about 8 cents per mile in operating costs, compared to 16 cents for gas (if getting 22 mpg. and gas was still $3.50/gal.) So you'd also have to factor those in as well.
 

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It's always true that rebuilt engines can cost less. But the average EV costs about 8 cents per mile in operating costs, compared to 16 cents for gas (if getting 22 mpg. and gas was still $3.50/gal.) So you'd also have to factor those in as well.
Does that factor in California's 40% increase in electricity cost this year alone and the true cost of charging batteries? I am not talking free charger BS is we all know that's not going to last. There is also no real reason for gas to be costing $3.50 per gallon. Trump proved that and the rest is Biden BS that started with Obama.
One must also take into account that EV battery will not be available when or if it needs to be replaced. Just look around and see how happy those are that need them replace now are. That the EV future with today's battery.
 

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Sorry, you're correct in that it seems I put up an image for the hybrid version. I don't know if I'd want to spend 3k on a battery, it would depend on how much of a difference it made to actual fuel mileage. A friend just bought an old hybrid, Honda Insight cheap, because the battery no longer works after 17 years. Bypassing the battery means he has a 50 mpg. car while if he gets the battery replaced and spends $2,000 (local aftermarket cost, installed, not from Honda) the mileage will be closer to 80 mpg. So he has to figure out how much driving he'll need to do to make it cost effective.

As for a new Ford truck, it has an 8 year battery warranty, and they're not likely wanting to replace them so I'm sure that 8 years is conservative. If they are indeed 30K right now, looking at past trends would indicate a lower price than that several years down the road. All in all, the average battery for cars that have been on the road for a long time has been pretty reliable, save for the Nissan Leaf that had troubles due to being air cooled instead of liquid cooled.
Warranties are only good if there is a replacement. You thinking there will be a replacement in 8 years? There are always ways for manufactures to get out of warranties. Availability just happens to be one of them.
 

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My next truck will most likely be a v-6 twin turbo Tundra. If it makes sense I’ll go for the hybrid version.
I think that there is a limit and it’s way before full electric. V-6TT gas or diesel are the best solutions at the moment.
 

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Next will be inline 6 with twin turbos. Not buying anymore trucks that are not capable.
 

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My horse can go 100 miles in a long day, but my Model Tee can only go 50 with its spark and tires issues.

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Have you seen the prices the Ford stealerships are asking for one of these?
 

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Electric vehicles will have their place, and that place will be similar to how electric forklifts are used now, you use it within a certain radius of a facility. The notion that you will be able to drive/tow/haul cross country is ridiculous, and nobody should bother trying. It needs to be thought of in a practical way.
 
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