When is enough going to be enough? Wtf?

[torredcuda]

I would think any dealer ordered cars for stock would like to have it more dressed up looking with Rallye's, Road wheels, stripes etc to sell quicker...

Besides A12 cars, the steelies and dog dish caps were probably more of the special order type of people that knew they were going to install aftermarket mags since that was the popular thing to do back in the day to personlize ones vehicle.

I agree with Chargervert. There are probably way more cars with steelies and dog dish caps today then there were new.

I`m sure at least some dealer ordered cars had the fancier full hubcaps or Rallye or other wheel option for the showroom floor as we know dealers make money good on the options so showcasing them to buyers would help sales. We also know that many cars did come with dog dishes as they were standard and some couldn`t afford the options or on the musclecars guys would know they were going to be replaced them soon with mags so why spend the money. There are definitely more cars with dog dishes now than back when I got my license in `76 as no musclecar I remember had them or full hubcaps, we all had aftermarket mags and bigger tires.

 

[torredcuda]

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I think Rallyes were the only wheel available for AARs.

 

[dadsbee]

My Bee came with full wheel covers.

 

[chargervert]

I bought over 100 Chargers and only one totally stripped down 70 XH Charger I owned came with dork dish hubcaps. It was so stripped down, it had a design instead of a clock and a block off plate where the dash light over the glove box was. That's one in one hundred.

 

[WileE]

Maybe Pete would know.

 

[chargervert]

Whip it! Whip it good!

 

[autoxcuda]

Are they 15" ? What condition ? and would you be willing to part ways ? I had them on a car in the early 70's, love them !

I'm going to make them 15". They were 14" to start. I've had the rim casings removed while I restore them.

No. Not parting with them. I looked for years for them. Going on my Dart GTS conv clone eventfully

 

[WileE]

Whip it! Whip it good!

Hey, at least they thought of a good idea to use dog dish caps !

 

[guy gadbois]

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This is as close as I could find. Lol

Might interject a comment/story here that whilst not entirely on subject, is, I believe germane to the discussion...

Many moons ago - some almost 40 years now [gee Im getting old]- I became acquainted with a man at a Chevrolet dealership who was still, after all the years, an enthusiast, as opposed to just a businessman. [RIP Curt]

He had gone to work at a Chevy dealer right out of high school in 1955, and progressed thru several positions at 3 different stores until he became a partner in a large dealership in the area. I got to know Curt thru doing some business with him, but usually quickly got done with contemporary transactions and got down to talking cars and history for awhile. Learned a lot and heard some great tales from his 50+ years in the business, but I want to relate some [to me] interesting things he told me about tyres and wheels.



We usually talked mostly about the "Glory Days" of the early 60s thru the early 70s. One day whilst telling me about some unusual orders and how to get a non-factory colour on a car or truck, I enquired as to WHY in the Wide World of Sports did they seem to always order Corvettes [and SS cars] with whitewalls?!? The were hideous imnsho and were not 'sporty' at all. Curtis smiled and said, 'pure profit. See, bitd, whitewalls listed for something like $12. They cost us about a dollar. Twelve bucks wasnt enough to kill a deal, so people just took them and we made another 11 dollars on the car. Doesnt sound like much, but multiply that over the number of units sold in a year, and it starts to mount up. PLUS, a lot of folks then turned around and paid our service department to flip the tyres around to black side out, so we made a few extra bucks on the car again. Same thing with extra cost wheelcovers; [knowing I had a 70 Corvette at the time] he said they ordered a lot of cars with those 40 pound turbine looking covers cause they were something like 50 bucks and 'cost' was like 5. Not big numbers, but lots of percentage profit in things like that.'

He said they knew very well that most of those types of cars would have aftermarket wheels before long, and sometimes they would buy the 'takeoffs' back for the used car lot or something. Tyres and wheels were pretty profitable. This explains why you see photos bitd with cars with whitewalls and dog dishes - those tyres were loaded with dealer profit!

 

[Pecos Bill]

I came home from work and put some burgers on the grill had a half dozen beers then clicked on Google to come onto Fbbo. And there it was, another amazing Mopar muscle car with those effing goofy painted effing wheels and dork dish hubcaps! Does anyone alive believe that a 70 Sassy Grass Green V code Road Runner is a sleeper! Do you think people won't know what is under the hood with 440 +6 effing decals on the hood. Enough with the effing goofy painted wheels and dork dish effing crap,it's been done to the effing nines. Time to move on and drive real muscle cars that struck the fear of God himself into anyone who thought that they could challenge that car,for the love of God himself! Effing enough already!

Is this the car you're whining about?

1970 Plymouth Road Runner For Sale At Auction - Mecum Auctions

Predicted to sell $140k-$160k

This Rare Sassy Grass 1970 Road Runner 440+6 Is Pure Mopar Muscle

 

[chargervert]

Yep,looks like stinking *** with those goofy looking wheels and hubcaps. No one is fooled by a Sassy Grass Green Road Runner with a black hood stripe and 440+6 decals.....must be a sleeper.....not! My 70 V code 4 speed Road Runner had a proper set of 15x7 Rallye wheels on it.

 

[Dave6T4]

My Bee came with full wheel covers.

Mine, too.

 

[toolmanmike]

My Bee came with full wheel covers.

Were they the ugly ones? Dodge, not too bad. Plymouth, not so much.

 

[Dave6T4]

Code W11 on mine. They lasted less than a week.

 

[toolmanmike]

Code W11 on mine. They lasted less than a week.

Not bad but not the look you wanted? What did you put on?

 

[toolmanmike]

I liked the W15 covers. They look cool as an aluminum wheel.

 

[Unkle Krusty]

I had a 37 Ford hearse, with a 312 T bird motor. No give away signs at all. Most assumed it had the 85hp side valve motor.
The rims were 2 inches wider and chromed. The rear end was from a Dodge, same with the gear box, but they were not visible. Same with the hydraulic brakes.
Terry Furness had a model A Ford with the 283? Chev engine, but he was easy pickings. Good panel beater tho.

 

[XS22J8R]

I think Rallyes were the only wheel available for AARs.

Correct. Oddly for the T/A, rallies were optional.
However, the 15x7 steel wheels on T/As not only had poverty caps, but were dressed up with 15x7 trim rings.
My T/A had cragars on it when I got it while a teenager. When I did the first "restoration" on it in the early 80s, I wanted to put the "correct" wheels on it, so purchased a set of 15X7 Rallies.
In the late 90s I had the opportunity to buy the original dealer sales record envelope for my T/A, which included the advanced dealer delivery notice. That has the option list on it, similar to the window sticker. Reviewing it, I was bummed to not find rally wheels were optioned on my car. (I don't have a BCS for my car, the ones I found in it were for another T/A, since reunited with that car)
I was starting to gather parts for doing a ground up restoration then, and despite liking the rally wheels I was dedicated to restoring the car to as it was when it rolled of the line at Hamtramck. So I spent a bunch of cash to buy a set of '450 wheels.
Nowadays I get a little bored of rallies, and the steel wheels with rings on my car really grew on me.
3 of the wheels I bought had the same date 3 months before my SPD, but the other was an earlier date.
Ironically Chargervert had a 450 with a matching date to my 3, and sold it to me maybe 15 years ago, to complete a matching set for my resto. You'd think as much as he hates them, he would have scrapped that wheel before selling it to someone to "ruin" their cars look!

 

[Pecos Bill]

Yep,looks like stinking *** with those goofy looking wheels and hubcaps. No one is fooled by a Sassy Grass Green Road Runner with a black hood stripe and 440+6 decals.....must be a sleeper.....not! My 70 V code 4 speed Road Runner had a proper set of 15x7 Rallye wheels on it.

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What makes you think the intent of the commisioner of the car, was to pass it off as a sleeper?

 

[torredcuda]

Correct. Oddly for the T/A, rallies were optional.
However, the 15x7 steel wheels on T/As not only had poverty caps, but were dressed up with 15x7 trim rings.
My T/A had cragars on it when I got it while a teenager. When I did the first "restoration" on it in the early 80s, I wanted to put the "correct" wheels on it, so purchased a set of 15X7 Rallies.
In the late 90s I had the opportunity to buy the original dealer sales record envelope for my T/A, which included the advanced dealer delivery notice. That has the option list on it, similar to the window sticker. Reviewing it, I was bummed to not find rally wheels were optioned on my car. (I don't have a BCS for my car, the ones I found in it were for another T/A, since reunited with that car)
I was starting to gather parts for doing a ground up restoration then, and despite liking the rally wheels I was dedicated to restoring the car to as it was when it rolled of the line at Hamtramck. So I spent a bunch of cash to buy a set of '450 wheels.
Nowadays I get a little bored of rallies, and the steel wheels with rings on my car really grew on me.
3 of the wheels I bought had the same date 3 months before my SPD, but the other was an earlier date.
Ironically Chargervert had a 450 with a matching date to my 3, and sold it to me maybe 15 years ago, to complete a matching set for my resto. You'd think as much as he hates them, he would have scrapped that wheel before selling it to someone to "ruin" their cars look!

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Yes, I recently learned that about the T/A wheels - very strange the lower more "budget" line Plymouth AAR got Rallyes as standard but the higher line Dodge T/A it was an option, reverse of the Rallye gages which were standard on the performance Challengers but optional on `cudas.