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Why is my 440 dieseling?

jenkins71

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Hi guys! My 440 keeps running a few rotations and sometimes violently shakes and pops out the carb after I shut the key down.

Can't figure out why.

It has a mild cam, 8.9:1 compression. 20* of initial timing. The engine wants more advance at idle, but I limited it at 20*. Vacuum advance is disconnected for the time being. It is a 4 speed, idle is set at 800 RM.

If I slow the idle down by letting the clutch out in gear, I can flip the key off and it won't diesel. But I would like t be able to just flip the key off.

160* stat, runs nice and cool

Thanks!
 
From a garage guru:

There is a certain amount of fuel left in the intake upon shut-down. when the motors hot, it is gonna do everything in its power to keep running. as engine RPM slows when shutting down, The cylinder pressures will spike and light the remaining fuel, unless its octane rating is high enough to resist it (too much "curb idle" or blades open will allow it to keep feeding for a second or two.)
As mentioned carbon deposits create "Hotspots" which will trigger the detonation. If you are highly carboned up in the combustion chamber the deposits will glow after a lengthy run and serve just as if they were spark plugs. Just my opinion but I would find out why you have to idle at such a high r.p.m. with such a low compression engine.
 
i would back off the timing a bit and see if that helps . maybe your balancer has slipped giving you a false reading.
 
Some cars had an anti dieseling solenoid that you set your curb idle with and it closed the carb down when turned off
 
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Sounds like it might be idling off of the throttle plates instead of the idle circuits. What carb are you running? It might need a good cleaning/rebuild and adjustment. 800 rpm idle seems a bit high for a stick car with a mild cam. Could be other problems too, but it's a start.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. Is this a "transfer slot" thing????

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i would back off the timing a bit and see if that helps . maybe your balancer has slipped giving you a false reading.
I have checked with a TDC Finder. I am right on the money. Thanks!!!!
 
I started to experience the same thing on my freshly rebuilt 493. All summer it was fine and now that it cooled off this fall it started doing the same thing for a second upon shutoff. I did fill up with 91 from a questionable gas station (usually i get 93 from a busy Mobil station) and im thinking it may have something to do with it. I put a few gallons of 110 in and it immediately stopped dieseling.

Rereading your post i see your compression is lower than mine (10.5:1) and i have my idle higher (900 in D) due to cam / automatic tranny so probably a different cause altogether.
 
Regardless of what anyone says, once you shut the key off, distributor timing has nothing to do with your situation. The ignition system is NOT a factor as there is no spark present. Higher octane is probably the ticket but with such a high r.p.m. you may have more than just the idle circuit of the carb contributing to your issue especially if the throttle plates are fairly open. Keep in mind that not all carbs are created equal and some do a better job metering fuel into the engine via all circuits. I for one would never buy another Eddy which seem to struggle with circuit cross-overs. If oil is seeping past your oil ring you may well have a build up of soot in the combustion chamber especially on the face of the valves and top of the pistons. This is just an opinion but it may be worth exploring. Unfortunately it involves head removal to check for this issue and possible wash-down of the cylinder bores from excessive fuel due to a poorly metering carb. Good luck.
 
Dieseling or engine run-on is a condition that can occur in spark plug, gasoline powered internal combustion engines, whereby the engine keeps running for a short period after being turned off, due to fuel igniting without a spark.

Dieseling is so-named because it is similar in appearance to how diesel engines operate: by firing without a spark. The ignition source in a diesel is the heat generated by the compression of the air in the cylinder, rather than a spark as in gasoline engines. The dieseling phenomenon occurs not because the compression ratio is sufficient to cause auto-ignition of the fuel, but a hot spot inside the cylinder starts combustion. An automobile engine that is dieseling will typically sputter, then gradually stop.


Built-up carbon in the ignition chamber can glow red after the engine is off, providing a mechanism for igniting unburnt fuel. Such a thing can happen when the engine runs very rich, depositing unspent fuel and particles on the pistons and valves. Similarly, rough metal regions within the piston chamber can cause this same problem, since they can glow red. It has also been suggested that an improperly rated spark plug can retain heat and cause the same problem.
A carburetor that does not completely close can contribute to running once the engine is off, since the extra fuel and oxygen mixture can combust easily in the warm piston chamber. Similarly, hot vaporized oil gases from the engine crankcase can provide ample fuel for dieseling.


Incorrect timing.
An engine that runs too hot or too lean may produce an environment conducive to allowing unspent fuel to burn.
An idle speed that is too fast can leave the engine with too much angular momentum upon shutdown, raising the chances that the engine can turn over and burn more fuel and lock itself into a cycle of continuous running.

Retarded ignition timing can cause this because when the initial is retarded you must open the throttle more to maintain a certain idle sped. Opening the throttle blades can cause run on. Advancing your initial will allow you to close the throttle more at idle and reduce the chances of run on. Also, a cam being advanced can cause extremely high cylinder pressures because the intake valves will close sooner. High cylinder pressures can also cause run on.

Dieseling is not nearly as common as it once was, because it most commonly occurs in engines equipped with carburetors. The vast majority of vehicles manufactured after 1990 are fuel-injected: The injectors and high-pressure fuel pump immediately cease supplying fuel to the cylinders when the ignition is switched off. If the injector is damaged or malfunctioning, a small amount of fuel can enter the chamber and be ignited, causing a sputter or two after the engine is switched off.
 
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My 1982 Ram did the same thing w/ a 318. I ran some seafoam through the carb, and that really cleaned out the cylinders from carbon deposits. I figured I was running rich and backed off the idle screws a bit. Now I haven't had a problem yet. :tongueflap: just my two cents
 
thanks for the help guys. Figured out that my throttle blades were open too wide. With some adjustments, I was able to get the idle speed down to about 500 as well as making sure the transfer slot had the right amount poking out.
Cheers!!
 
Cool good you got it fixed, mine did this once or twice while trying to dial in the timing and idle circuits it seems with today's gas mix you have to re adjust from time to time. most always the fix for mine was adjusting the throttle blades making sure they did not stay open after turning it off.
 
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