Would sea level drop if we.....

[Triplegreen500]

So, THIS was part of the vaccination plan? Nice work...

https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/07/04/deaths-hospital-vaccinated-uk.html

The UK is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world against Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19). Out of the nation’s 68 million people, more than 45 million have received at least a single dose, and over 33 million have been fully vaccinated. However, a new report released by Public Health England (PHE) highlighted the fact that in the past few months, more fully vaccinated people have died from the Delta variant compared to unvaccinated people.

Good plan, junior.

The death rate for fully vaccinated individuals was 0.636 percent, which was 6.6 times higher than the unvaccinated death rate of 0.0957 percent.

Whoopsie!

The death rates among fully vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals were both below one percent.

Like I said - 20x nearly-zero is still nearly-zero.

Fully vaccinated individuals were also found to be more prone to hospitalization than their unvaccinated counterparts. Out of the 4,087 fully vaccinated people, 2.05 percent (84 people) ended up in a hospital. Among the 35,521 unvaccinated people, only 1.48 percent (527 people) were hospitalized.

It's not just the one article, either...
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=europe+vaccinated+deaths+versus+unvaccinated&t=brave&ia=web

Hmm....there's a tough one to explain, eh?

I'll wait...love to hear this excuse...

 

[Richard Cranium]

Maybe rest is a solid option for you

That's your counter argument?

I think we will need to see a storm that we have yet seen or recorded before the challenged start thinking. "Maybe science is on to something?"

I don’t need a counter argument. Now, on the flip side, you haven’t presented any counter arguments as to why all of the climate predictions haven’t come true for the last 60 years.

 

[Triplegreen500]

In 2020. Covid killed more than opioid overdose, influenza, car crashes, gun violence, suicide combine. Only heart disease and cancer was higher. And now news out if New York that there may have been nursing home coverups meaning death rate was even higher.

I'm unsure what metrics of information many out there are quoting?

There are five lines on a death certificate, varying contributors to cause of death.

1. IMMEDIATE cause
2-4: UNDERLYING causes
5: OTHER significant conditions contributing to the death

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf

Hospitals and care facilities received MONEY for every person who died from covid.

If a death certificate said ANYWHERE on it, the word 'covid'...it was considered a 'covid death', so they could get their grant money.

As the CDC report notes, “For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/514915-is-us-covid-19-death-count-inflated

In other words....94% of deaths had other causes than covid.

 

[Cojohnso1]

If you honestly believe vaccine efforts are not working? Then we are way beyond learning anything here on FBBO.

In the 50s. The polio vaccine was created. And 99% of children in the US was vaccinated. In a very short relative time. Especially for the 50s. By early 70s? Polio was all but irritated. And had anyone shouded that vaccine was against my constitutional rights? Would have been ran out of the village via stones and pitchforks. (Metaphorically speaking.) Putting family, friends and neighbors at jeopardy because ones panties are bunched up.

So what changed?

 

[Jcharger]

CoJohnso1, I wouldn't get all wound up with what these people are doing. They are goading and they are in their own little safe space. My thoughts about the antivax community is that got smart with how they did things and slowly but steadily changed it from responsibility to personal rights. They also changed it to raising questions rather than providing solutions. The drive is there and there is a lot of money to be made off of this. Some of the same people that called the bird flu a hoax are the big ones for the covid hoax. Bottom line is that it is difficult for people without medical knowledge to sort through what is valid and what is not. It is difficult for people with medical and scientific knowledge to do this. We got people taking medicine for livestock. I had a great uncle who did that decades ago and killed himself. I never met him, but heard he was cuss of a man. There is still a long way to go with covid and there is still a lot to be learned. Delta wasn't around when the vaccines were developed, so that is a poor measure of what they do. It could also be that the death rates are divided by the people who were admitted and the actual number of vaccinated cases was much higher because they were asymptomatic. The vaccine doesn't stop us from getting it, but if it works the way it is supposed to work, it slows the spread of the disease to other parts of our bodies. I have had some friends who got it and have what looks like permanent damage. They aren't death statistics. It isn't like the flu with those people. There are still a lot of deaths and a lot that we need to do and learn. I don't think we are out of the woods and I think that you can look at the maps of vaccinations to see where the hotspots are now and the deaths are highest.

 

[chargervert]

Someone needs to tell Rosie ODonnell to get out of the water and the sea levels would return to normal heights!

 

[Photon440]

The whole "ice caps melting causing sea levels to rise" is WRONG.

Step 1.
Fill a glass in your kitchen with ice cubes.

Step 2.
Fill that same glass to the brim with tap water.

Step 3.
Let it sit on the counter until the ice melts, and observe the water level.

IT'S LOWER.

Ice is water mixed with air, and in frozen form it displaces MORE water than it will when it is simply water.

"Ocean levels rising", therefore, would be proof that the ice caps are GROWING.

A good theory, if only the miles thick ice caps over the Antarctic were in water... But they're on land so when they melt, where does the water go?

 

[Richard Cranium]

Someone needs to tell Rosie ODonnell to get out of the water and the sea levels would return to normal heights!

 

[Triplegreen500]

A good theory, if only the miles thick ice caps over the Antarctic were in water... But they're on land so when they melt, where does the water go?

Into the ocean in the summer...where it re-freezes in the winter.

Again.

Look up "arctic ice annual minimum".

Better yet...read this:
https://rclutz.com/2021/09/01/abundant-august-arctic-ice-with-2021-minimum-outlook/

The annual competition between ice and water in the Arctic ocean is approaching the maximum for water, which typically occurs mid September. After that, diminishing energy from the slowly setting sun allows oceanic cooling causing ice to regenerate.

Over this decade, the Arctic ice minimum has not declined, but since 2007 looks like fluctuations around a plateau.

Hm.

Cyclical.

Imagine that.

 

[Cojohnso1]

Rcluz.com? Yup. Leader in ice core and atmospheric studies. I guess NOAA, NASA, US Geological Survey ect can just fold up shop and stop with all that pesty analysis.

Like the My Pillow Guy. "Just report the findings. And stop fact checking." Findings completely made up. LMAO.

 

[Photon440]

Into the ocean in the summer...where it re-freezes in the winter.

Again.

Look up "arctic ice annual minimum".

Better yet...read this:
https://rclutz.com/2021/09/01/abundant-august-arctic-ice-with-2021-minimum-outlook/





Hm.

Cyclical.

Imagine that.

So you're saying that ice on land can melt and flow into the ocean, and the sea level is unaffected? I'm not talking Arctic ice which floats, I'm referring to Antarctic ice which is on land.

I'm not an alarmist and am not worrying about any ocean level changes, I just like to see things make sense.

 

[Cojohnso1]

I recently watched the movie "Idiocracy" A comedy B-movie on the premise that intellectuals have stopped breeding in favor of a career. And the population is filling with lower educated individuals thus lowering average national intelligent levels. Not just here. But world wide.

I'm now wondering if that is actually happening? Once upon a time we were inspired by intellect. And elected those individuals to leadership positions. Like the first US generation who we call our "Founding fathers?" Technology and rising social justice issues did demonstrate that they were not perfect. But had a vision of a country where pursuit of this "perfection" is always ongoing. Its wrote in the first words of the constitution. But today? Intellectuals are mocked. As weak, or have some sorta hidden agenda. Just like that stupid movie.

 

[Triplegreen500]

So you're saying that ice on land can melt and flow into the ocean, and the sea level is unaffected? I'm not talking Arctic ice which floats, I'm referring to Antarctic ice which is on land.

I'm not an alarmist and am not worrying about any ocean level changes, I just like to see things make sense.

Yes, because water never goes from the ocean, into the atmosphere, then onto the land.

Rain.
Snow.
Sleet.
Yea...you're right. Once it's in the ocean, it never leaves again.

 

[Triplegreen500]

I recently watched the movie "Idiocracy" A comedy B-movie on the premise that intellectuals have stopped breeding in favor of a career. And the population is filling with lower educated individuals thus lowering average national intelligent levels. Not just here. But world wide.

I'm now wondering if that is actually happening? Once upon a time we were inspired by intellect. And elected those individuals to leadership positions. Like the first US generation who we call our "Founding fathers?" Technology and rising social justice issues did demonstrate that they were not perfect. But had a vision of a country where pursuit of this "perfection" is always ongoing. Its wrote in the first words of the constitution. But today? Intellectuals are mocked. As weak, or have some sorta hidden agenda. Just like that stupid movie.

So...the people who simply gobble up what the media tells them without doing any of their own research or finding their own answers or asking their own questions...they are the "enlightened" and "intellectuals" among us?

 

[Triplegreen500]

Rcluz.com? Yup. Leader in ice core and atmospheric studies. I guess NOAA, NASA, US Geological Survey ect can just fold up shop and stop with all that pesty analysis.

Yep.

"The gummint said so, so it MUST be right".

"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you".

Please.

 

[Cojohnso1]

So...the people who simply gobble up what the media tells them without doing any of their own research or finding their own answers or asking their own questions...they are the "enlightened" and "intellectuals" among us?

Searching the internet for blogs that say nonsense that makes you feel better is not research. The scientist on the ice. Or drilling in the ocean mud to collect core samples. Then analyze, log trends and data points. Then publish a conclusion is doing research.

 

[Richard Cranium]

So...the people who simply gobble up what the media tells them without doing any of their own research or finding their own answers or asking their own questions...they are the "enlightened" and "intellectuals" among us?

Apparently so.

As with all climate alarmists, they never want to talk about the 60 year record of predictions that never come true, but we're supposed to believe them now.

 

[Triplegreen500]

Searching the internet for blogs that say nonsense that makes you feel better is not research. The scientist on the ice. Or drilling in the ocean mud to collect core samples. Then analyze, log trends and data points. Then publish a conclusion is doing research.

Except when the results prove you wrong.

It is not as warm now, as it has been in the past.

Period.

 

[Cojohnso1]

Except when the results prove you wrong.

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It is not as warm now, as it has been in the past.

Period.

You are actually proving science right. Look at the timeliness. Thousands of years. Now? Decades. Decades is a tighter timeline than millenniums. By at least a factor of 100. This is the concern. What has happened in the past was on a MUCH slower pace.

I wonder if one could prove the "Idiocracy" theory? Umm...

 

[Triplegreen500]

You are actually proving science right. Look at the timeliness. Thousands of years. Now? Decades. Decades is a tighter timeline than millenniums. By at least a factor of 100. This is the concern. What has happened in the past was on a MUCH slower pace.

I wonder if one could prove the "Idiocracy" theory? Umm...

Who gives a **** about "tighter timelines"? 70 degrees is still 70 degrees. It doesn't matter if it's a season of 70 degree weather, or that oddball January day where the sun is out and it hits 70 for a day. 70 degrees is 70 degrees.

Ice cores, tree rings, dinosaur bones and dirt samples don't measure things in days or weeks - they measure them in eras. Who's to say things didn't change daily back then, just like they do now? The only difference we have now is, we have the ability to track things on a tighter timeline.

I bet the residents of Pompeii would be happy to tell you what a difference "just a day" can make...