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Made In America Time for a Revolt!
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NJRR
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Exactly what Cranky said. If I don't stock the cheap tools, they go to Home Depot, Lowes, Harbor Freight or Walmart, all within a mile from me. I have quality American made products in stock, it is the customer's choice about what to buy. By the way, the main part of my business (75%) is selling Benjamin Moore paint. And that IS made here, in Newark NJ and I'm pretty happy about that. :sFl_america2:
mrkinger
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Your right NJRR,but sooner or later ,after skinned knuckles ,and stripped nuts and bolts ,because the tools dont fit properly,they will realize the cheapest isnt the best.Have you ever used a brakeline wrench from China.I truly beleive this will all turn around one day and back to quality
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How the GOP lost Middle America
Pat Buchanan explains impact of Republican Party 'selling its soul to the multinationals'
Out of the Republican retreat on Maryland’s Eastern shore comes word that the House leadership is raising the white flag of surrender on immigration.
The GOP will agree to halt the deportation of 12 million illegal aliens and sign on to a blanket amnesty. It only asks that the 12 million not be put on a path to citizenship.
Sorry, but losers do not dictate terms. Rich Trumka of the AFL-CIO says amnesty is no longer enough. Illegal aliens must be put on a path to citizenship and given green cards to work – and join unions.
Rep. Paul Ryan and the Wall Street Journal are for throwing in the towel. Legalize them all and start them on the path to citizenship.
A full and final capitulation. Let’s get it over with.
To understand why and how the Republican Party lost Middle America, and faces demographic death, we need to go back to Bush I.
At the Cold War’s end, the GOP reached a fork in the road. The determination of Middle Americans to preserve the country they grew up in suddenly collided with the profit motive of Corporate America.
The Fortune 500 wanted to close factories in the USA and ship production abroad – where unions did not exist, regulations were light, taxes were low, and wages were a fraction of what they were here in America.
Corporate America was going global and wanted to be rid of its American workforce, the best paid on earth, and replace it with cheap foreign labor.
While manufacturing sought to move production abroad, hotels, motels, bars, restaurants, farms and construction companies that could not move abroad also wanted to replace their expensive American workers.
Thanks to the Republican Party, Corporate America got it all.
U.S. factories in the scores of thousands were shut down, shedding their American workers. Foreign-made goods poured in, filling U.S. stores and killing the manufacturers who had stayed behind, loyal to their U.S. workers.
The Reagan prosperity was exported to Asia and China by the Bush Republicans. And the Reagan Democrats reciprocated by deserting the Bush Republican Party and going home. But this was not the end of what this writer described in his 1998 book, “The Great Betrayal.”
As those hotels, motels, restaurants, bars, fast-food shops, car washes, groceries and other service industries also relished the rewards of cheap foreign labor, they got government assistance in replacing their American workers.
Since 1990, some 30 to 40 million immigrants, legal and illegal, have entered the country. This huge increase in the labor force, at the same time the U.S. was shipping factories abroad, brought massive downward pressure on wages. The real wages of Middle Americans have stagnated for decades.
What was wildly wonderful for Corporate America was hell on Middle America. But the Republican Party had made its choice. It had sold its soul to the multinationals. And as it went along with NAFTA, GATT, fast track and mass immigration, to appease Corporate America, it lost Middle America.
The party went with the folks who paid for their campaigns, only to lose the folks who had given them their landslides.
When Republicans accede to the demand for amnesty, and immigration without end, it does not take a political genius to see what is going to happen. For it is happening now.
Almost all of those breaking our laws, crossing the border and overstaying their visas are young, poor or working class. Between 80 and 90 percent are from Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Latin America.
They are Third World peoples. They believe in government action and government programs that provide their families with free education, health care, housing, food and income subsidies. They are not Bob Taft or Barry Goldwater conservatives.
Perhaps 85 percent of all immigrants, legal and illegal, more than a million a year now, are people of color. And while over 70 percent of Hispanics and Asians voted Democratic for Obama, among voters of African descent, the Obama vote was well above 90 percent.
Four of every five U.S. citizens of Asian, African and Hispanic descent vote Democratic in presidential elections. And it is their numbers that are growing. Already they are well over a third of the U.S. population.
As has been observed often, America, demographically, is going to look like California. And while Nixon won California all five times he was on a national ticket, and Reagan won California in landslides all four times he ran, California has not gone Republican in six straight presidential elections.
Democrats outnumber Republicans there by more than two-to-one in the congressional delegation and in the State Assembly, and not a single Republican holds statewide office.
If Bush I had built that border fence back in 1992 and declared a moratorium on legal immigration that fall, as many implored him to do, the party of the Bushes would not be facing its demise well before mid-century.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/how-the-gop-lost-middle-america/#sxBujvfdMeAKi27E.99
How the GOP lost Middle America
Pat Buchanan explains impact of Republican Party 'selling its soul to the multinationals'
Out of the Republican retreat on Maryland’s Eastern shore comes word that the House leadership is raising the white flag of surrender on immigration.
The GOP will agree to halt the deportation of 12 million illegal aliens and sign on to a blanket amnesty. It only asks that the 12 million not be put on a path to citizenship.
Sorry, but losers do not dictate terms. Rich Trumka of the AFL-CIO says amnesty is no longer enough. Illegal aliens must be put on a path to citizenship and given green cards to work – and join unions.
Rep. Paul Ryan and the Wall Street Journal are for throwing in the towel. Legalize them all and start them on the path to citizenship.
A full and final capitulation. Let’s get it over with.
To understand why and how the Republican Party lost Middle America, and faces demographic death, we need to go back to Bush I.
At the Cold War’s end, the GOP reached a fork in the road. The determination of Middle Americans to preserve the country they grew up in suddenly collided with the profit motive of Corporate America.
The Fortune 500 wanted to close factories in the USA and ship production abroad – where unions did not exist, regulations were light, taxes were low, and wages were a fraction of what they were here in America.
Corporate America was going global and wanted to be rid of its American workforce, the best paid on earth, and replace it with cheap foreign labor.
While manufacturing sought to move production abroad, hotels, motels, bars, restaurants, farms and construction companies that could not move abroad also wanted to replace their expensive American workers.
Thanks to the Republican Party, Corporate America got it all.
U.S. factories in the scores of thousands were shut down, shedding their American workers. Foreign-made goods poured in, filling U.S. stores and killing the manufacturers who had stayed behind, loyal to their U.S. workers.
The Reagan prosperity was exported to Asia and China by the Bush Republicans. And the Reagan Democrats reciprocated by deserting the Bush Republican Party and going home. But this was not the end of what this writer described in his 1998 book, “The Great Betrayal.”
As those hotels, motels, restaurants, bars, fast-food shops, car washes, groceries and other service industries also relished the rewards of cheap foreign labor, they got government assistance in replacing their American workers.
Since 1990, some 30 to 40 million immigrants, legal and illegal, have entered the country. This huge increase in the labor force, at the same time the U.S. was shipping factories abroad, brought massive downward pressure on wages. The real wages of Middle Americans have stagnated for decades.
What was wildly wonderful for Corporate America was hell on Middle America. But the Republican Party had made its choice. It had sold its soul to the multinationals. And as it went along with NAFTA, GATT, fast track and mass immigration, to appease Corporate America, it lost Middle America.
The party went with the folks who paid for their campaigns, only to lose the folks who had given them their landslides.
When Republicans accede to the demand for amnesty, and immigration without end, it does not take a political genius to see what is going to happen. For it is happening now.
Almost all of those breaking our laws, crossing the border and overstaying their visas are young, poor or working class. Between 80 and 90 percent are from Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Latin America.
They are Third World peoples. They believe in government action and government programs that provide their families with free education, health care, housing, food and income subsidies. They are not Bob Taft or Barry Goldwater conservatives.
Perhaps 85 percent of all immigrants, legal and illegal, more than a million a year now, are people of color. And while over 70 percent of Hispanics and Asians voted Democratic for Obama, among voters of African descent, the Obama vote was well above 90 percent.
Four of every five U.S. citizens of Asian, African and Hispanic descent vote Democratic in presidential elections. And it is their numbers that are growing. Already they are well over a third of the U.S. population.
As has been observed often, America, demographically, is going to look like California. And while Nixon won California all five times he was on a national ticket, and Reagan won California in landslides all four times he ran, California has not gone Republican in six straight presidential elections.
Democrats outnumber Republicans there by more than two-to-one in the congressional delegation and in the State Assembly, and not a single Republican holds statewide office.
If Bush I had built that border fence back in 1992 and declared a moratorium on legal immigration that fall, as many implored him to do, the party of the Bushes would not be facing its demise well before mid-century.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/how-the-gop-lost-middle-america/#sxBujvfdMeAKi27E.99
Bruzilla
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Back in 1992 I was the VP of a small manufacturing business that made window treatments for interior designers on a wholesale basis. Our company put on a seminar for our customers and the big issue they had was the number of companies like ours that were selling products directly to Home Depot and Lowes, which was costing them customers because they wanted to buy direct and get things cheaper than going through them. I then asked them if they went to Home Depot and Lowes to buy their the install supplies they use or do they go to Ace Hardware? Big surprise... all of them bought at Home Depot because it was cheaper.
Why are people buying so many Chinese products? Because so many merchants are selling them. And why are they selling them? Because that's what makes them money. So it's tough point the finger of blame at consumers wuthout also pointing it at merchants.
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Ok Bruzilla we all know everyone is at fault already. So we still have realistic 30 percent unemplyment here. We have to resolve this soon. If your not working will people buy anything?
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As long as the gooberment keeps up the handout programs.....
Riverdawg
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Made in America
Hemi Rebel, I bought a pair of Prison Blues jeans a couple years ago. They are great. I was searching for USA made products because I was and still am tired of the Chinese garbage being brought in to the US. You need to follow their directions and take measurements. I picked my usual 34 x 32 and discovered I was really a 36 waist. Most of my other jeans are still 34 x 32 sizes. LOL. I had found a bunch of New Balance shoes that had tags on them touting about being made in the US. A year later, I can't find them now. not sure why. Wranglers are my other favorites.
Thanks, Ken a.k.a Riverdawg
Hemi Rebel, I bought a pair of Prison Blues jeans a couple years ago. They are great. I was searching for USA made products because I was and still am tired of the Chinese garbage being brought in to the US. You need to follow their directions and take measurements. I picked my usual 34 x 32 and discovered I was really a 36 waist. Most of my other jeans are still 34 x 32 sizes. LOL. I had found a bunch of New Balance shoes that had tags on them touting about being made in the US. A year later, I can't find them now. not sure why. Wranglers are my other favorites.
Thanks, Ken a.k.a Riverdawg
67GTX440
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Okay with Canadian exports with the exception of Justin Bieber. You could have kept that one! LOL
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I buy NB shoes too but not very many are made in America anymore. Last pair I found was made in Viet Nam and well, that's better than China! They just got to where they couldn't compete anymore and didn't want to lay off anymore employees....
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I think it's time to call bullshit on this whole "Made in America", "Made in Canada" crap. Let's call for quality instead. Make it here, make it well. I'll buy that product.
It's pretty sad that sometimes, I find stuff that is made in Canada(US as well), and it's shittier than equivalent stuff imported from China/India/Bangladesh........
It's pretty sad that sometimes, I find stuff that is made in Canada(US as well), and it's shittier than equivalent stuff imported from China/India/Bangladesh........
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Satman we all know that we have seen crap from both of us, ok so now we are talking about the whole manufacturing structure disintegrating. What keeps our joint Countries Safe and Prosperous is a good middle class potential income. Jobs in Manufacturing, Mining, Agriculture, OIl Drilling, Gas and as you know Shale gas and Oil Drilling in canada has been enourmus!
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Oh Canada
yeah, so would I!!! MADE NORTH OF THE RIO GRANDE...that should be the label and I will gladly pay 10%+ over sticker for it.
The Obamanation who is our "prez" is turning his back on our brothers north of the 49th parallel...COOL and MCOOL is going to destroy our relationship {almost} irreparably and cost both of our beloved countries BILLIONS of dollars....
only 3 more years of this joke for both of us....
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Canada threatens court fight, import tariffs in dispute over U.S. food labelling
By Terry Pedwell, The Canadian Press
via Yahoo! News Canada - Jan 28, 2014
OTTAWA - Canada's agriculture minister says he's hoping to avoid an all-out trade war with the United States over food labelling.
But Gerry Ritz warns that, if there is a war, he's prepared to fight it.
Ritz has launched a last-minute appeal to American lawmakers to change U.S. food labelling rules through a 950-page farm bill that could come to a first vote as early as Wednesday.
"I'm hoping that cooler minds will prevail, that the pressure that the American industry is bringing to bear in the next day or two will cause some legislators to step back," said Ritz.
Canada has long complained that the so-called Country Of Origin Labelling provisions adopted by the U.S. government in 2008 hurt meat industries on both sides of the border.
Hopes for a settlement of the dispute were dashed Monday when U.S. lawmakers reached a deal that did not include changes to the labelling requirements.
Failing any last-minute amendments, Ritz says Canada will return the dispute to the World Trade Organization, with arguments in the case expected to begin Feb. 18.
"That's a good thing," said Ritz. "It starts to move it ahead."
If the WTO rules in Canada's favour, tariffs could be imposed by early 2015 on U.S. exports of everything from beef and pork products to grains and fresh fruits.
But that should only be used as a "last resort" measure because tariffs would be costly both to businesses and consumers, warned Lyle Stewart, Saskatchewan's agriculture minister.
"It's not the ideal situation, but it's about the only weapon if everything else fails," Stewart said at the provincial legislature.
However, Stewart said he would support retaliation, if necessary.
"If negotiations fail, if a WTO ruling fails to change the Americans mind on this again, it's about the only tool we have left. And so it will make some products more expensive in Canada, that's for sure."
In the meantime, Ritz says Canada will support industry stakeholders in the United States and Mexico in a bid to obtain a court injunction preventing the U.S. government from implementing the bill.
The Canadian Cattlemen's Association, representing more than 68,000 beef farms and feed lots across the country, said it too would support the government taking the fight to the WTO.
"The (association) fully supports the government of Canada's efforts to pursue WTO approval to impose retaliatory tariffs," the organization said in a statement.
Country-of-origin labelling rules are blamed for complicating the import of meat and livestock into the U.S., driving up the cost of business, and causing an estimated $1 billion a year in losses.
The rules require segregation of beef, pork and chicken so it can be labelled with details about the origins of the meat before being sold in U.S. stores.
For beef producers, Ritz said the requirements add about $100 to the cost of each exported animal...
more
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/canada-threatens-court-fight-import-tariffs-over-u-182015126.html
^^THIS is all part and parcel why we are fed up with our "President," Satman. I mean really??? he's deliberately thumbing his nose at all our brothers around the world. Especially Canada.
We have traded beef across the 49th for years and years as it if it was our own...now this administration is trying to close off that trade, all for NOTHING. IMHO it's total bullshit. It will hurt both sides.
yeah, so would I!!! MADE NORTH OF THE RIO GRANDE...that should be the label and I will gladly pay 10%+ over sticker for it.
The Obamanation who is our "prez" is turning his back on our brothers north of the 49th parallel...COOL and MCOOL is going to destroy our relationship {almost} irreparably and cost both of our beloved countries BILLIONS of dollars....
only 3 more years of this joke for both of us....
View attachment 166393
Canada threatens court fight, import tariffs in dispute over U.S. food labelling
By Terry Pedwell, The Canadian Press
via Yahoo! News Canada - Jan 28, 2014
OTTAWA - Canada's agriculture minister says he's hoping to avoid an all-out trade war with the United States over food labelling.
But Gerry Ritz warns that, if there is a war, he's prepared to fight it.
Ritz has launched a last-minute appeal to American lawmakers to change U.S. food labelling rules through a 950-page farm bill that could come to a first vote as early as Wednesday.
"I'm hoping that cooler minds will prevail, that the pressure that the American industry is bringing to bear in the next day or two will cause some legislators to step back," said Ritz.
Canada has long complained that the so-called Country Of Origin Labelling provisions adopted by the U.S. government in 2008 hurt meat industries on both sides of the border.
Hopes for a settlement of the dispute were dashed Monday when U.S. lawmakers reached a deal that did not include changes to the labelling requirements.
Failing any last-minute amendments, Ritz says Canada will return the dispute to the World Trade Organization, with arguments in the case expected to begin Feb. 18.
"That's a good thing," said Ritz. "It starts to move it ahead."
If the WTO rules in Canada's favour, tariffs could be imposed by early 2015 on U.S. exports of everything from beef and pork products to grains and fresh fruits.
But that should only be used as a "last resort" measure because tariffs would be costly both to businesses and consumers, warned Lyle Stewart, Saskatchewan's agriculture minister.
"It's not the ideal situation, but it's about the only weapon if everything else fails," Stewart said at the provincial legislature.
However, Stewart said he would support retaliation, if necessary.
"If negotiations fail, if a WTO ruling fails to change the Americans mind on this again, it's about the only tool we have left. And so it will make some products more expensive in Canada, that's for sure."
In the meantime, Ritz says Canada will support industry stakeholders in the United States and Mexico in a bid to obtain a court injunction preventing the U.S. government from implementing the bill.
The Canadian Cattlemen's Association, representing more than 68,000 beef farms and feed lots across the country, said it too would support the government taking the fight to the WTO.
"The (association) fully supports the government of Canada's efforts to pursue WTO approval to impose retaliatory tariffs," the organization said in a statement.
Country-of-origin labelling rules are blamed for complicating the import of meat and livestock into the U.S., driving up the cost of business, and causing an estimated $1 billion a year in losses.
The rules require segregation of beef, pork and chicken so it can be labelled with details about the origins of the meat before being sold in U.S. stores.
For beef producers, Ritz said the requirements add about $100 to the cost of each exported animal...
more
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/canada-threatens-court-fight-import-tariffs-over-u-182015126.html
^^THIS is all part and parcel why we are fed up with our "President," Satman. I mean really??? he's deliberately thumbing his nose at all our brothers around the world. Especially Canada.
We have traded beef across the 49th for years and years as it if it was our own...now this administration is trying to close off that trade, all for NOTHING. IMHO it's total bullshit. It will hurt both sides.
Hosehead
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A recent surprise I got when I bought my new wheels. They should be forced to change their name.......
kb67mopar
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Did it say they weren't made here? Lots of companies put more than one language on their product packages for the countries they sell to the most. So they could still be made here unless otherwise noted....though I suspect you are correct.
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American racing went bankrupt! The brand name was sold to a company that makes Wheels in China.
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Here’s a start..........Pass it on.......
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While American Racing may outsource some of their wheels, they do still operate in California. For example, their line of Vintage Forged Wheels are all American made.
http://www.americanracing.com/news/147-vintage-forged-wheels-available-this-month
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