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Edelbrock Carbs Suck!

They are the easiest carbs on the planet to run and tune. I have 2 1406's on my tunnel ram and they work flawlessly. I have a 1407 on my other 440 and it runs perfect. Tear it completely apart , soak it and start over. Use compressed air to blow everything out. Take your time setting it back up. Make sure the rest of your fuel system is up to task.
 
I wouldn't spend to much time messing with it before I pulled it off, removed the lid again and looked to see if it has gas in the bowls and check the float drop. If you are really brave about accidently dropping a part down a throat you can remove the top right on the car. Might also check to see if you forgot to back the idle mixture screws off 1-1/2 turns when it was reassembled.
I think you screwed something up. have you ever seen a dual feed edel. afb ? I did one, worked great. looked good too, feeding both sides. maybe the only one in the world. they don`t get much easier than an afb.
 
Edelbrocks can be temperamental, IMO especially on a modified engine. Look at the attached and notice the orientation of the baffles. They actually cover the rear jets, but if they are reversed they will interfere with float movement. Did someone mention this already? Pay particular attention to sediment also, if any. This is a new 800AVS 1813 with about 3 hrs run time , but it should still look pretty clean in there.
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Edelbrocks can be temperamental, IMO especially on a modified engine. Look at the attached and notice the orientation of the baffles. They actually cover the rear jets, but if they are reversed they will interfere with float movement. Did someone mention this already? Pay particular attention to sediment also, if any. This is a new 800AVS 1813 with about 3 hrs run time , but it should still look pretty clean in there.View attachment 379901
Ya. Don't know if top will go on? He's not getting fuel into carb.
 
I don't think your getting any fuel into the bowls. Take the top off and set the float level EXACTLY as it says in the re build kit directions. Then hook a tube to the fuel inlet, blow thru it and see if it flows air. Then turn it upside down which closes the needle and seat, blow again and it should flow no air. You may also want to have someone familiar with those carbs help you figure it out. Carbs can be frustrating, but they are fixable.
 
That's the problem, it wasn't working before. The engine would start fine when first started, but if you shut down and went to restart you had to hold the gas pedal all the way down to get the engine to run. That's why I took it apart and reset the floats IAW the manual.

The bigger issue is I've been reading a lot of reports that this particular carb has issues, sadly after I bought the damn thing.

It doesn't take much research to find that it's the ethanol content in modern fuel causing the hot start problem you are having. go to whiteys and get some ethanol free gas he is on the St. John's river
 
When you had the top off, did you see any rust brown sediment in the bottom? If so, thats rust and it will get by any filter made. The only thing that will stop it is a magnet. Rust will plug things up, cause it to flood over, run like poo etc. Not an exclusive issue to the AFB/AVS style carburetors either. Its even worse on Holley's as there are more areas for it to hide that cannot be cleaned out unless you use ultrasonic. Also, people all over the country, and out, have been having issues with vapor lock and boiling over due to the fuel containing too much alcohol which changes the vapor point of the fuel which means it boils at a lower temperature. As far as the rust issue is concerned, see if you can find whats called "cow magnets". Get them at a livestock store. They are about the size of your pinkie and are used on cattle to collect iron based objects, picked up when grazing, in their stomach. I've used these in cars and dropped them into the fuel tank in different spots dropping them though a piece of heater hose to distribute them. This will collect most of what gets into your tank from the main rust collection unit aka your gas station. If you use a normal metal cased in line fuel filter, this would be a spot to mount another magnet to catch what might want to slip by in the tank. If you have access to a friend at a tranny shop, the tranny pan magnets used on a lot of the Mopars 90's and up are about 2" od with like a 7/8 hole which your filter fitting can protrude through. Of course you can use just about anything for magnets, these are just low buck versions for me. What settings did you do the floats to? I have always gone with the competition series AFB settings which where 5/16 level and 15/16 drop. Thats what I used from back in my speed shop days since we were Carter distributors and a warranty station. For the boil over issue, some of the people have been experimenting with return lines to get the hot fuel back to the tank. One think I like to do is put a heat shield between the carb and manifold. You also may want to block off the heat crossover passage in the manifold. GM[ I know yuck!] used shields on some of their cars like the Vettes and Camaros that wok pretty darn well even now. It comprised of about an 060 or so thick aluminum shield with a thin gasket on each side. There are some other shields made which sandwich multiple layers of aluminim and gasket but these are quite prone to vacuum leaks so stay away from these. The GM unit can be had through Classic in the Camaro catalog. The one they make is for the standard flange carb. IE 4150/4160 Holley or AFB/AVS. I believe the number for it is 3969835 which is still the GM number. They, GM, used to make one for the spreadbore carbs, i.e. TQ/ Q-Jet/4165/4175 Holley. Number was 3969837. We used these shields a lot, especially on rv's with their high under hood temps and they really helped. Well, hopefully you can get your issue figured out with this and the input from your brethren. Good luck!
 
Yes! A thick carb gasket! Edelbrock has a divided center @ approximately .333 thick. Excellent to keep heat at bay.
 
That's the problem, it wasn't working before. The engine would start fine when first started, but if you shut down and went to restart you had to hold the gas pedal all the way down to get the engine to run. That's why I took it apart and reset the floats IAW the manual.

The bigger issue is I've been reading a lot of reports that this particular carb has issues, sadly after I bought the damn thing.

Slow starting when hot (if you are speaking of a hot engine condition) is not unusual with Mopars. I typically have to hold the throttle near the floor (don't pump it) when starting my engine in a hot state. Not sure what that is about - sounds like a symptom of flooding after shut off but not sure that's what is going on. It may be it's not getting any fuel until the pedal is held down which activates the accelerator pump. If it is hot flooding from fuel perculating, then an insulator gasket underneath may help it. But back in the 60s I remember often having to do the same thing with my 64 Sport Fury and AFB.
 
Aw, hell...
If you've already cleaned the carb once, don't need to do it again. If you've had problems with it from day one, should be a simple solution, since as said before, these carbs are easy to make work. Just takes things right.
You need to find out if it's getting fuel, and if not...why.

Pull the top of the carb off. Look inside the bowls for any trash. If none, that's good. AND, is there any fuel in the bowls? Should be, unless it's leaking out. With the carb top off, and gas line unhooked, check for flow through the line. Simply have a container under the end of the line, and crank the motor a few seconds. Get gas?
If so...pull the floats, and valves out. Then, either blowing into it, or spraying carb cleaner into it, check flow from the fuel 'inlet' to both valve seats. They are just connected with a open port. If that's good, drop the valves back into the seats. Use your imagination on this one...goal is to find out if those valves are actually seating!
If so...double check the float settings, and go from there.

If the carb is getting fuel, there's no reason it shouldn't work!
 
I've had the floats delaminate/corrode in the bowls and get particles into the jets. Floats were greenish white instead of bronze. Ran, but ran like poo. Had to replace the jets and change the floats. This was on 650 thunder with some miles on it. have also had issues with mechanical fuel pump pushrods getting worn & stubby and ceasing to pump, also pump diaphragms failing and then not pumping. also the usual needle/seat replacement. fortunately there is not too much to troubleshoot with these carbs.
 
In 39 years the only problems I have ever had with my 4131S AFB has been sand finding its way into the needle valve seat.
The car has spent time enough at the beach that there will always be some sand.
Last time was July 4th this year.
I had changed the filter but somehow sand got in there.
There's just not much to go wrong with that design.
Original owners manual even tells you to hold pedal down slightly when starting the engine while hot.
Good luck.
 
You did pull the old seats out and check if they had the small screens pushed in from the back side of the seat? Those screens plug up pretty quick if there is crap in the fuel system.
Doug
 
By "seats", do you mean jets? I replaced my metering rods and jets last summer to lean it down and I don't recall any screens in the jets.
 
I think he means seats for fuel inlet that the needle to floats ride in that let fuel into carb.
 
I think he means seats for fuel inlet that the needle to floats ride in that let fuel into carb.
Yes, the screw in seats below the needles. Many have screens behind them. The system is very simple. Fuel is fed to the inlet, as fuel is consumed the float drops. The needle pulls down with the float. Fuel flows through the seat and around the needle. The bowl fills, the float rises and the needle seals against the seat shutting off the fuel into the bowl. This happens in various states depending on fuel demand from engine load.
Doug
 
Is there a filter behind the inlet fitting?

Bruzilla what's up?
 
On the original AVS carbs, yes there was a "strainer" behind the inlet fitting on the side of the carb. If this gets full of crud, you aren't going to get any fuel.

I'm not positive, but I believe the Edelbrock's have this inline "strainer" behind the inlet fitting also.

Edit: Just checked on the Edelbrock design, they are slightly different from the AVS. Instead of the "strainer" behind the inlet fitting on the side of the carb, the Edelbrock's have the strainer hidden under the needle "seat" which is screwed into the top portion of the carb. Unscrew the seats and the "strainers" should be accessable. There is one on each side.

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