Want to go Lokar. What do I need?

[Bruzilla]

I'm tired of dealing with kickdown issues, and want to go to a Lokar system. Drivetrain is a 440, with a Holley 850, and a 727 trans. What all do I need to make the swap?

 

[BigYellaStella]

Lokars 727 kickdown cable in whatever flavor they have you want, and a throttle/kickdown bracket they or anywhere else makes for it, cut it to fit and you're done!

 

[BigYellaStella]

Cable;
Lokar KD-2727U

Bracket;
JEGS Performance Products 15234

Kickdown bracket;
JEGS Performance Products 15224

Just an idea of what little is involved..

 

[Bruzilla]

I see they make a kit, KD-2727HT, and I need a carb bracket, SRK-4000, which they list as a kit with springs, but I don't see any springs listed in the ads.

 

[BigYellaStella]

The 2nd part number I gave is the bracket with springs. All 3 numbers I gave convert your setup to lokar, don't need the Srk 4000 if you go with 15234 and 15224..

 

[beanhead]

I used their throttle and kickdown kits, the bracket came with the throttle kit it did include the springs... the kickdown has worked good for me- 440/727 in a 68 Satellite, it's an easy swap..

 

[BigYellaStella]

That way does work in a "one-click-kit" sense tbh lol

 

[Xp29h]

Ok, when you get all the parts you need... DO NOT take the little aluminum tube ferrel of the braided cable when you go to cut to length! slide it up the cable because after you cut it to fit, it will NOT go back on! You pretty much are destined to buy another!! Been there, done that! one of those stupid not thinking moments that cost you! The piece right next to the braided cable

 

[Yatzee]

I'm tired of dealing with kickdown issues, and want to go to a Lokar system. Drivetrain is a 440, with a Holley 850, and a 727 trans. What all do I need to make the swap?

I looked at the Lokar system but prefered and installed the Bouchillon system. Why, because the cable comes straight on towards the tranny lever and the mounting bracket down there is a gem. In the event of band adjustment etc. you merely remove two bolts, pop the cable off and you can access the entire side of the tranny. They all work the same but cost differently and I liked the method of adjustability with the Bouchillon and didn't have to cut any cables. Each to his own.

 

[Bruzilla]

I had no idea there are so many of these systems out there. I always thought Lokar was the only one. Time to do some shopping around.

 

[EARLY B]

I had no idea there are so many of these systems out there. I always thought Lokar was the only one. Time to do some shopping around.

the Bouchillion kit comes with the correct length arm for the transmission. and if you read their instructions you will see why it matters.

 

[MT_Mopar]

Cable: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/LOK-TC-1000U36

Kickdown: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/LOK-KD-2727U

Bracket: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/aed-6602r

 

[HT413]

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[ChargerM440]

I have installed both a throttle and kickdown cable on my 440/727 combo with an Edelbrock. I used an alleged knock-off Lokar kickdown cable and bracket kit like this one: https://www.amazon.com/CHRYSLER-727-TRANSMISSION-KICKDOWN-CABLE/dp/B004W837Y2

You can spring the $97 for the Lokar cable, but then you will also need to invest an additional $30 to get the throttle bracket.
Cable: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lok-kdp-2727ht/overview/
Bracket: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lok-srk-4000/overview/

I found the less expensive cable to be great quality and a superb value. I am very satisfied with it's fit and operation. Whichever you decide is obviously up to you, but I do recommend using Lokar's instruction manual for installation. It can be found here: https://static.summitracing.com/global/images/instructions/LOK-INS0046-ChryslerKickdown.pdf

While installing the kickdown I accidentally broke my corroded factory throttle cable and ran down to the local parts store and picked up a Spectre universal piece. You do have to measure and cut this cable for proper fitment. I used the factory cable as a template to trim the new one. You can get this part online or at pepboys or autozone. Again, it's pretty good for a low cost alternative.
http://www.autozone.com/fuel-system...raided-housing-throttle-cable-kit/536804_0_0/

I didn't set out to be cheap about the conversion. I found the kickdown cable and brackets at a swap meet vendor before I new about Lokar and I bought the throttle cable because it's what the parts store had on hand. Ultimately, everything worked out great for me and thought I'd pass along the possible savings. Good luck!

 

[Bruzilla]

I found the less expensive cable to be great quality and a superb value. I am very satisfied with it's fit and operation. Whichever you decide is obviously up to you, but I do recommend using Lokar's instruction manual for installation. It can be found here: https://static.summitracing.com/global/images/instructions/LOK-INS0046-ChryslerKickdown.pdf

What I'm wondering about is some of these setups have a return spring attached to the kickdown and some don't. If I understand the system correctly, as the throttle lever moves rearward, the bottom, attached to the cable, moves forward, which pulls the kickdown lever rearward, then when the throttle lever moves forward the cable is pushed back, which then pushes the kickdown lever back into place. I can see where a spring would assist to make sure the kickdown disengages, but that seems like it would also be pulling against the throttle lever, making the pedal harder.

 

[Bruzilla]

Cable: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/LOK-TC-1000U36

Kickdown: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/LOK-KD-2727U

Bracket: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/aed-6602r

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Amazing how quickly a simple, inexpensive, upgrade can turn into a trip to the bank for a second mortgage.

 

[BeatersRus]

i too bought the lokar and tbh,because of what a friend said,who tried Both kinds,
( which is echoed in post #9 & #11 )
i agree,the bouchillon is the one im going to install instead.

 

[ChargerM440]

What I'm wondering about is some of these setups have a return spring attached to the kickdown and some don't. If I understand the system correctly, as the throttle lever moves rearward, the bottom, attached to the cable, moves forward, which pulls the kickdown lever rearward, then when the throttle lever moves forward the cable is pushed back, which then pushes the kickdown lever back into place. I can see where a spring would assist to make sure the kickdown disengages, but that seems like it would also be pulling against the throttle lever, making the pedal harder.

You understand correctly. You need a throttle return spring for any carb. The kit just integrates it into the new kickdown brackets. By pulling reward on the bottom (kickdown side) it eliminates the long return spring that would normal be pulling forward on the throttle arm. Cleans up the installation a little.

 

[Hosehead]

I have a bouchillon set up for sale here. I'll even come off my price a bit. Pm if interested.

 

[Bruzilla]

You understand correctly. You need a throttle return spring for any carb. The kit just integrates it into the new kickdown brackets. By pulling reward on the bottom (kickdown side) it eliminates the long return spring that would normal be pulling forward on the throttle arm. Cleans up the installation a little.

I can see that for the one kit, but looking at the Lokar systems, they use a bracket that connects to the front of the carb and uses two small springs to replace the one long spring and stock spring bracket, so two smaller springs replace the one big one, but there is no spring on the kickdown lever like there is with the Bouchillon set up. There are also no springs on the lever with any of the other systems I've looked at.