More bad news at Tesla motors...

[vintage chromoly]

I don't think you did.
You asked where the "power" would come from and who would pay.

 

[BeeKool]

Your not going to replace the internal combustion engine.
What are we going to plow fields and harvest crops with battery powered tractors?
The mere notion is absurd.
Oh wait, we will go back to mules and draft horses. Right up until the left realizes horses are prone to passing gas.
We can continue to improve fuel economy, but you cannot replace the internal combustion engine and expect to feed the world as well.

 

[vintage chromoly]

Your not going to replace the internal combustion engine.
What are we going to plow fields and harvest crops with battery powered tractors?
The mere notion is absurd.
Oh wait, we will go back to mules and draft horses. Right up until the left realizes horses are prone to passing gas.
We can continue to improve fuel economy, but you cannot replace the internal combustion engine and expect to feed the world as well.

Nonsense!

 

[mopar 3 B]

In the very near future, we will see charging stations in parking garages and lots across the country. The idea will be to charge the cars while they are otherwise parked.
The super chargers will provide the charge for long distant travel where one doesn't have all day to recharge.
This is somewhere the USA could take a leading role in how this plays out.
I sure hope we lead as opposed to getting out of the way.

We have a few charging stations here all ready as remote as we are. But my work vechile does not sit in a parking lot all day. I am not going to set some where at a charge port for how long while the battery charges?
I can pick gas up at any station to refuel a vechical at home or along the road that needs it without purchasing a gas station.
Yea I can see stretching a few hundred feet of cord accross the lawn when the garden tractor battery discharges and have to wait hours to finish mowing the lawn.
Or do I just buy a few cows to eat the grass.

 

[BeeKool]

Nonsense!

What is nonsense?
You think you can replace deisel engines in farming?

 

[ws23jrt]

I don't think you did.
You asked where the "power" would come from and who would pay.

I did mention above that the electric grid is already full and antiquated. Power does not just fall from the sky.

 

[vintage chromoly]

I did mention above that the electric grid is already full and antiquated. Power does not just fall from the sky.

Yeah, the grid is old and needs work. We agree.
It needs work, regardless

 

[mopar 3 B]

Nonsense!

What is Nonsense? You must be a city dweller?

 

[vintage chromoly]

What is nonsense?
You think you can replace deisel engines in farming?

Yes.
The notion that technology will stand still is incorrect.

 

[vintage chromoly]

What is Nonsense? You must be a city dweller?

Nope. I live in farm country

 

[mopar 3 B]

Your not going to replace the internal combustion engine.
What are we going to plow fields and harvest crops with battery powered tractors?
The mere notion is absurd.
Oh wait, we will go back to mules and draft horses. Right up until the left realizes horses are prone to passing gas.
We can continue to improve fuel economy, but you cannot replace the internal combustion engine and expect to feed the world as well.

You are a pig farmer right? Ever consider methane?

 

[mopar 3 B]

Nope. I live in farm country

Have you ever farmed?

 

[BeeKool]

Yes.
The notion that technology will stand still is incorrect.

Replacing the diesel engine is absurd. You can work on making them cleaner and more economical but you aren't replacing them with solar or electric or wind. Not in the agricultural industry.

Today's farmers are three times more efficient and productive than their grandparents were, and diesel technology is the biggest reason.

 

[vintage chromoly]

Have you ever farmed?

I'm not a farmer.
That said, I'm well aware that diesel fuel is the fuel used today to farm.
Once upon a time, livestock was used to farm and then steam tractors. Now farmers use diesel and in the future, is bet on electric motors.

The point is, things evolve, technology moves forward and nothing and nobody is going to stop it.

 

[ws23jrt]

What is nonsense?
You think you can replace deisel engines in farming?

I'm glad you brought that idea/thought up.

Take the question of making ethanol (for example).
If all the equipment it took to produce the corn -and turn it into fuel- were to run on the tank filled by the plant making the fuel. The tank would run dry quickly.
This is why taxpayers become involved. We are the ones that make this FAKE perpetual motion machine appear to work.
Many plants have been built and remain idle as we speak because of just that.
I do know what I speak of because of working on one of them. A multimillion-dollar mess that is now only a gleaming stainless steel pumping station for oil export.

 

[mopar 3 B]

Yes.
The notion that technology will stand still is incorrect.

Electric vechile technology has been around as long as gas power. They think the technology is there. In reality its still an infant.
Just look at the locations of solar grids and wind farms. Very little advantage at point of location. The cost must be horrendous getting it to where it goes.

 

[BeeKool]

If something works and works well, then why would we drastically change it?
In order for it to be a success, it must be a more productive method. It has to pay for itself

 

[ws23jrt]

Yeah, the grid is old and needs work. We agree.
It needs work, regardless

We can agree it needs work. But urgently needed work is just housecleaning when compared to what would be expected/needed to take over the energy needs of auto and farming traffic needs.

 

[vintage chromoly]

I'm not saying that tomorrow morning we are going to wake up and the entire world will be all electric.

I do think we will see electrical motor driven machinery in our lifetimes.
We already see it in the shipping industry that was previously predominantly diesel.

 

[mopar 3 B]

I'm glad you brought that idea/thought up.

Take the question of making ethanol (for example).
If all the equipment it took to produce the corn -and turn it into fuel- were to run on the tank filled by the plant making the fuel. The tank would run dry quickly.
This is why taxpayers become involved. We are the ones that make this FAKE perpetual motion machine appear to work.
Many plants have been built and remain idle as we speak because of just that.
I do know what I speak of because of working on one of them. A multimillion-dollar mess that is now only a gleaming stainless steel pumping station for oil export.

The money is not in alcohol but in by product. Total biofuels are a pipe dream and always where.