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Children have to be taught to respect animals and not abuse them. However your dog must be able to tolerate a toddler, if your dog cant be trusted or cant tolerate small children, the dog has to go.
 
steve from staten island said:
Children have to be taught to respect animals and not abuse them. However your dog must be able to tolerate a toddler, if your dog cant be trusted or cant tolerate small children, the dog has to go.
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Really? If the toddler is hitting pets, its hitting other things as well. That kind of behaviour needs to be stopped.
 
I don't care how well trained or trusted a dog is,... they can only take so much. Let's be clear,... I am a dog person and I am not blaming the dog. I agree that kids need to be taught not to hit, step on, or jump on dogs! We have a friend whose son jumped on their dog while it was sleeping and hurt it. It woke up, yelped, and snapped at the kid. I don't blame the dog.... Natural reaction when getting hurt!!

We take time to train the dog, but don't think it's necessary to train the kid?? What's up with that!!
 
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I've put alot of time into my dogs and son.
The dogs are 2 years older than my son.
Daisy, the female you see here is very tolerant and enjoys physical contact. I have had to paddle my son's *** for being too rough, but now he's good with them.
I also have a large black lab male who is very tolerant.
I don't think that they would tolerate other kids in the way that they do Ethan though.
I also have taught Ethan that "puppies bite."
So he's much more reserved about other dogs.
As far as him and Colt and Daisy are concerned, they may as well be siblings because they've been raised to get her in close quarters.
It has involved lots of time though, there have been growls and him hitting them. But now their best buds.

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mopar 3 B said:
Really? If the toddler is hitting pets, its hitting other things as well. That kind of behaviour needs to be stopped.
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Really?
Yes really. No were in my post did i elude to, insinuate or say anything about a toddler abusing a dog, except that it should not happen.
I really dont get how some here can twist and turn a reply post but then again i see it almost everyday concerning politics so its no surprise.
I think Mr Beekool's post and pictures sums it up and says it better than i could.
 
steve from staten island said:
Really?
Yes really. No were in my post did i elude to, insinuate or say anything about a toddler abusing a dog, except that it should not happen.
I really dont get how some here can twist and turn a reply post but then again i see it almost everyday concerning politics so its no surprise.
I think Mr Beekool's post and pictures sums it up and says it better than i could.
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Why are you so easily offended? Beekools doing what needs to be done. I was suggesting no more or less?
 
steve from staten island said:
Really?
Yes really. No were in my post did i elude to, insinuate or say anything about a toddler abusing a dog, except that it should not happen.
I really dont get how some here can twist and turn a reply post but then again i see it almost everyday concerning politics so its no surprise.
I think Mr Beekool's post and pictures sums it up and says it better than i could.
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Might be because of how you said the dogs need to tolerate the toddler or they have to go. I think he was making the point that everything has its limits, whether they be dogs or people. I trust my dogs, but I still understand that they can only tolerate so much.

We have 4 dogs ranging in size from our 2 Papillons weighing 5 and 10 lbs, to a 50lb Bull Terrier (Think Spuds McKensie) and our Mastiff, and taught our granddaughters, from the time they were little, to be nice to the dogs and that if they hurt them, they may react badly. They learned to be nice to the dogs and the dogs are very tolerant. We have a 200lb Mastiff that the youngest would lay all over and he just lays there with her, but we had to teach her not to jump on him, hit him, or anything else that may hurt him.

There are a lot of parents out there that think they don't have to teach the kids to act right and immediately blame the dog. You may not have intended to sound that way in your first post, but it could have been taken that way.
 
Respect for other living beings starts at a very young age.
 
FrnkNsteen said:
Might be because of how you said the dogs need to tolerate the toddler or they have to go. I think he was making the point that everything has its limits, whether they be dogs or people. I trust my dogs, but I still understand that they can only tolerate so much.

We have 4 dogs ranging in size from our 2 Papillons weighing 5 and 10 lbs, to a 50lb Bull Terrier (Think Spuds McKensie) and our Mastiff, and taught our granddaughters, from the time they were little, to be nice to the dogs and that if they hurt them, they may react badly. They learned to be nice to the dogs and the dogs are very tolerant. We have a 200lb Mastiff that the youngest would lay all over and he just lays there with her, but we had to teach her not to jump on him, hit him, or anything else that may hurt him.

There are a lot of parents out there that think they don't have to teach the kids to act right and immediately blame the dog. You may not have intended to sound that way in your first post, but it could have been taken that way.
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You have a dog it needs to be able to tolerate a small child as in a toddler. No excuses. Now thats not to say a small child inflicting pain on a dog but again the dog has to be excellent and trustworthy if not the dog should be removed and placed with a older family. And let me add if anyone cant agree with that, dont have children and do not let young children around your pets
 
steve from staten island said:
You have a dog it needs to be able to tolerate a small child as in a toddler. No excuses. Now thats not to say a small child inflicting pain on a dog but again the dog has to be excellent and trustworthy if not the dog should be removed and placed with a older family. And let me add if anyone cant agree with that, dont have children and do not let young children around your pets
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I disagree. That kind of statement comes from people who don't want to watch their toddlers and let them do whatever they want. Everyone wants to coddle their kids and remove all points of danger so they can let them run free and not watch them. The truth is we all lived without outlet protectors, bicycle helmets, and bumpers on everything. And then we wonder why our kids have no common sense these days.

I respect your opinion, but disagree. It's not about making excuses, it's about watching your kids and teaching them how to act. Why do some people act like there is only one right choice and try to speak in matter of fact terms. Like,... "You have a dog it needs to be able to tolerate a small child as in a toddler...... No excuses.And let me add if anyone cant agree with that, dont have children and do not let young children around your pets"

You overly protective attitude is not the only option in this world. Kids all over the world grow up without having to protect them from every little thing and guess what,... as a whole,... they do pretty darn well!! I choose to teach kids at a very young age what they should or shouldn't do, rather than protect them from everything and they learn nothing because they never have to face any consequences.
 
Make the kid respect the animal, PERIOD
the animal will do the same naturally, 99.9% of the time
just like unruly toddlers running amuck
some dogs are not trained or taught well either...
 
FrnkNsteen said:
I disagree. That kind of statement comes from people who don't want to watch their toddlers and let them do whatever they want. Everyone wants to coddle their kids and remove all points of danger so they can let them run free and not watch them. The truth is we all lived without outlet protectors, bicycle helmets, and bumpers on everything. And then we wonder why our kids have no common sense these days.

I respect your opinion, but disagree. It's not about making excuses, it's about watching your kids and teaching them how to act. Why do some people act like there is only one right choice and try to speak in matter of fact terms. Like,... "You have a dog it needs to be able to tolerate a small child as in a toddler...... No excuses.And let me add if anyone cant agree with that, dont have children and do not let young children around your pets"

You overly protective attitude is not the only option in this world. Kids all over the world grow up without having to protect them from every little thing and guess what,... as a whole,... they do pretty darn well!! I choose to teach kids at a very young age what they should or shouldn't do, rather than protect them from everything and they learn nothing because they never have to face any consequences.
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Ridiculous reply. Overly protective attitude? Its called being responsible and not putting a untrusted dog before a child.
My son took a adult dog in from good friends who had twins. The dog just did not do well with small children and could not be trusted. Maybe it was the fact that the dog was not exposed to toddlers i have no idea but to even begin to offer excuses such as "coddle children" as a means to justify keeping a dog who cannot adapt to children is nonsense. We often doggie sit my sons dog and she is excellent and great therapy for my wife, that dog just does not like little children and the activity they create.
What really irks me is your last paragraph. Saying I'm making excuses. Watching your children and teaching them how to act.
Id have to question just who is making excuses. Im talking children and i mentioned toddlers, how about even younger as in children crawling. Yes we agree we ''teach" our children and the process begins at a very young age but again i say it. If your dog cannot tolerate your dog whats the alternative? Do you just take your chances and hope the child learns before a potentially dangerous situation?
skicker said:
Otherwise they'll grow up like some else around here...:rolleyes:
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You
 
someone should beat the **** out of the Kid's parents with a bat and take the kid away...
the blame for this should not be on the dog or the kid.
 
Dogs can and do have unpredictable mood swings. Just like humans do.
We see this all the time in what some like to call "bipolar"--whatever--everything has a name to identify it.

My sister had a dog and a cat for many years. They -all three- lived in comfort and peace for years.
One day my sister came home to find a bloody scene that would fit in with a Steven King story.
Her dog was as friendly as ever with a wagging tail ---but the cat was in pieces all over the house. Look mom-see what I did while you were gone.

I am on the side of this discussion --that the parents are obligated to train their kids well about teasing animals. (and people too btw).
Good grief--a dog can wake from a dream and take a bite of what is in his face in a flash.
 
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