Prime Example Of What NOT To Allow...

[Budnicks]

I read somewhere, or seen it written quite a few times over the years
studies/stats say that children that grow up abusing animals,
or kids that don't have animals growing up, properly trained & cared for
& especially don't have dogs when growing up, {almost any larger pet}
have a better than normal chance of being a future abusers
of children &/or animals or to the extreme all convict themselves...
IIRC it also said;
People that grow up with dogs, are generally more mellow & live longer,
less stressful lives, regardless of financial statures...

I don't trust people that don't like dogs or animals in general...

Spare the proper forms of discipline of your children or grandchildren etc.
{I was never really a spanker/hitter}
& you end up spoiling that brat, raising a (L) loser...
IMO probably ruining them in adulthood, in many cases that attitude
will carry over, they raise undisciplined kids, abusers...
You end up with the safe space adolescent losers,
too afraid of their own shadow or crying wolf constantly, we have today...

It's been brewing for decades... {I know not all of them either}

IMO the overly protective, especially lack of discipline or good parenting
& mamby pamby parenting doesn't work,
that victim class mentality BS, then you just raised a future loser,
that thinks it's OK to be a bully or worse...
You're the kids parent, not their friend, act like it...
They can be your friend when they are grown ups...

Teach them to respect & love animals, they will be better people/adults for it...

 

[biomedtechguy]

Teach them to respect & love animals, they will be better people/adults for it...

YES!

 

[FrnkNsteen]

Ridiculous reply.

Typical response from someone that thinks they are always right.

As I said, I respect your opinion (obviously that respect only goes one way though) but still disagree, and it seems the majority of others do also. Obviously, if a dog is known to have issues around kids, you can't leave them alone together, but those cases make up a small percentage. Don't act like you're the only one who knows the obvious. I'm talking about the other 95%+ of situations where the dog can be perfectly well behaved, but is reacting to a bad situation.

I'm in agreement with others that have mentioned having zero tolerance towards dogs that are aggressive towards others, or are trying to be aggressively dominant. We won't tolerate it with any of our dogs, but I will also say that I'm not going to put all the blame on a good dog for reacting when it is being mistreated.

My point is that in most cases it's not all on the dog. You have to judge each situation on it's own merit and not make blanket statements like "Any dog not 100% tolerant needs to go". Parents need to teach their kids to act properly too.

 

[MarPar]

steppin on a dog, that's a paddlin

 

[steve from staten island]

Typical response from someone that thinks they are always right.

As I said, I respect your opinion (obviously that respect only goes one way though) but still disagree, and it seems the majority of others do also. Obviously, if a dog is known to have issues around kids, you can't leave them alone together, but those cases make up a small percentage. Don't act like you're the only one who knows the obvious. I'm talking about the other 95%+ of situations where the dog can be perfectly well behaved, but is reacting to a bad situation.

I'm in agreement with others that have mentioned having zero tolerance towards dogs that are aggressive towards others, or are trying to be aggressively dominant. We won't tolerate it with any of our dogs, but I will also say that I'm not going to put all the blame on a good dog for reacting when it is being mistreated.

My point is that in most cases it's not all on the dog. You have to judge each situation on it's own merit and not make blanket statements like "Any dog not 100% tolerant needs to go". Parents need to teach their kids to act properly too.

You came across with a strong opinion about dogs to me, while you started out being civil, your post indicated you put your animals welfare ahead of common sense.
I do not think I'm always right and when I'm not I'm a big enough person to admit it, however again a dog that is even suspect with a very young child is a problem. Your solution is to blame a child who is still in the infantile stages of development and their parents. No where and i defy you to point it out to me and anyone else did i say a child abusing a dog is acceptable, what i said if you or anyone else care read it again is chrystal clear. BTW did i say 100% tolerate or just tolerate.
So in closing what i can gather is if you had a child in the crawling stages of life and a dog, maybe a older dog, really any dog that was just not good with that baby and couldnt be trusted, you'd keep the dog free to roam in the house and take your chances? Am i understanding that correctly because i dont what to her perceived as being always right and maybe i will understand your position better.

 

[FrnkNsteen]

You came across with a strong opinion about dogs to me, while you started out being civil, your post indicated you put your animals welfare ahead of common sense.

So was it when I disagreed with you and had a different opinion that I "stopped being civil" in your eyes? In my eyes,... the common sense part IS to keep an eye on my kids and watch what they were doing, so they can be taught to do the right thing. Never did I say that I put my dogs welfare above anything else. Just that I don't let my kids do whatever they want and expect others, including animals, to be blamed and pay the price.

So in closing what i can gather is if you had a child in the crawling stages of life and a dog, maybe a older dog, really any dog that was just not good with that baby and couldnt be trusted, you'd keep the dog free to roam in the house and take your chances?

So when did this change to crawling stage infants exactly?? And when did we get to it being limited to a dog that couldn't be trusted?? The post started with a young child walking on, or jumping on, a dog. My point was that I disagreed with your comment that insinuated that the dog either needed to "be tolerant and take it,... or it had to go".

Our grandkids grew up around our dogs, and there were times when they pushed it too far and the dog let them know it had had enough (growled at them). We chose to correct the kids (and obviously the dog) and our choice was to teach them that they had to respect animals rather than get rid of the dog that peacefully made his point known. We taught them that the dog's bed is his space, and they weren't to bother them if they go to their bed. No more issues!!

 

[steve from staten island]

My reply was a pet should be able to tolerate a young child. As in a crawling infant through a toddler,at least until they are old enough to understand right from wrong.Some dogs fo well with young active children some do not. You seem to have a different take on that. You choose what your comfortable with but know this much. Any child injured enough that requires a emergency medical visit could


require you to do some explaining. In the case of a dog bite it may be more involved especially if the person is unwilling to remove the animal from contact with the child. My opinion of course.

 

[FrnkNsteen]

I really don't know where you got this idea that I think that all dogs are safe to leave your kids around. I'm really not as stupid as you seem to think I am. I'm quite aware that some animals are better around kids than others. That was never my point. My point was that it shouldn't come down to having to fully trust the dog to be tolerant. If that was the case, nobody would have pets, because they are living beings and every living being has it's breaking point.

My point was simply that the child should not be allowed to mistreat the animal, and should be separated from them if they don't listen and act appropriately. But that doesn't automatically mean you need to get rid of the dog. We put our pets through obedience training, but too many parents let their kids run wild and do whatever they want. The difference in our views was that you seemed to think the dog needs to go if it can't be trusted, where I said the kids should be taught how to act and there wouldn't be an issue.

And thank you for your concern, but I am 51 years old and have had pets my whole life. Miraculously, in all those years of having nieces, nephews, grandkids, and now the niece's and nephew's kids around our animals,... we've never had an issue of a child being bitten or hurt by one of our pets. Why? Because I choose to watch them both, and correct misbehaviors of both of them, before things have a chance to go wrong. If I can't be there to watch them both, the dogs are put in their bed where they are safe. It takes active parenting,... not just letting the kids do what they want and then deal with the consequences.

 

[FrnkNsteen]

Yes this dog is 82#'s and will not tolerate her feet touched unless I put her on her side and say give it and she will do what I say but if I touch on on accident she will try an nip ,she's allergic to life and brakes out certen times of the year when she gos outside her skin will get really bad . (But you can't blame her for this )

Hey Bb,... We had the same skin issues with our Mastiff. Turns out he was allergic to grains in his food. It was weird though because he would only break out at certain times of the year. Once we changed him to a food that had no grains, it all cleared up and he hasn't had any skin issues. Another thing to try is some dogs need more oils in their diets or they get dry skin. The skin irritation could come from that too. Try some different foods and see if it makes a difference.

Ok,.... Sorry.... Back to the drama! LOL

 

[steve from staten island]

I really don't know where you got this idea that I think that all dogs are safe to leave your kids around. I'm really not as stupid as you seem to think I am. I'm quite aware that some animals are better around kids than others. That was never my point. My point was that it shouldn't come down to having to fully trust the dog to be tolerant. If that was the case, nobody would have pets, because they are living beings and every living being has it's breaking point.

My point was simply that the child should not be allowed to mistreat the animal, and should be separated from them if they don't listen and act appropriately. But that doesn't automatically mean you need to get rid of the dog. We put our pets through obedience training, but too many parents let their kids run wild and do whatever they want. The difference in our views was that you seemed to think the dog needs to go if it can't be trusted, where I said the kids should be taught how to act and there wouldn't be an issue.

And thank you for your concern, but I am 51 years old and have had pets my whole life. Miraculously, in all those years of having nieces, nephews, grandkids, and now the niece's and nephew's kids around our animals,... we've never had an issue of a child being bitten or hurt by one of our pets. Why? Because I choose to watch them both, and correct misbehaviors of both of them, before things have a chance to go wrong. If I can't be there to watch them both, the dogs are put in their bed where they are safe. It takes active parenting,... not just letting the kids do what they want and then deal with the consequences.

You really should think about letting this go. You continue to have false ideas about what i think about you and dogs, its getting ridiculous.
No i dont think your stupid nor do i think you feel its safe to leave all dogs around children and we both agree children should not mistreat animals.
I guess I'm not getting my point across or maybe I'm unable to do so. I think the situation is more when one has a dog and then has a baby in the house. How does the dog react? Ive talked to many in that exact situation. Mostly it worked out but some did not and i pointed out to you about my sons dog who he adopted from his friends who had twins. That dog wanted nothing to do with those kids, the dog would not tolerate children and never did. What should have that couple done? Take a chance? What would you have done? Your talking two children, a apartment and a older dog who would and has snapped at children.

 

[mopar 3 B]

You really should think about letting this go. You continue to have false ideas about what i think about you and dogs, its getting ridiculous.
No i dont think your stupid nor do i think you feel its safe to leave all dogs around children and we both agree children should not mistreat animals.
I guess I'm not getting my point across or maybe I'm unable to do so. I think the situation is more when one has a dog and then has a baby in the house. How does the dog react? Ive talked to many in that exact situation. Mostly it worked out but some did not and i pointed out to you about my sons dog who he adopted from his friends who had twins. That dog wanted nothing to do with those kids, the dog would not tolerate children and never did. What should have that couple done? Take a chance? What would you have done? Your talking two children, a apartment and a older dog who would and has snapped at children.

Yes Steve let it go. Enough is enough and that was awhile ago.