Diagnosis MOPAR Charging System

[RJRENTON]

Hey Bob, I didn't see the word "ethics" used but I did see "etiquette" used after you made mention of
"specifically some Spanish person that knows nothing but pretends he does as his own work".
Now, you have said your piece, so scroll on and leave this thread alone. Entender?

OK.....
BOB RENTON

 

[Sinitro]

OK.....
BOB RENTON

 

[RJRENTON]

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING......
BOB RENTON

 

[Nacho-RT74]

Wow… thanks God I’m actually not reading anything from that guy, and he can’t either read my posts thanks to my request to the mods, but WOW, this time I even haven’t participated and it seems he is shitting me? Am I right LOL?

About the language (if there is relation or complaint about that on his post), I have had this image saved since several months now LOL.

(Please don’t quote me because he will know I’m posting if you do, and will get a “link” to access to my words being quoted)

He still don’t get that Doug (72RoadRunnerGTX) and me keep talking/sharing the same methods and explanations, but he likes Doug’s post and attacks mine’s LOL. His degree haven’t prepared him for that analysis and conclusion

 

[Nacho-RT74]

... Entender?

Actually the correct way to say it is “¿Entiendes?” That way implies the pronoun on the correct verb tense (2nd person of the present tense) for the full phrase saying “Do you understand?”



(Would be nice to have a “wink” emoticon around LOL. Dunno if the regular emoticons included on the mobile devices keyboards are available to be posted and visible on the forum)

 

[CHGRSE74]

The way I see it is Bob is envious/jealous/and completely disrespectful. IMO he should be banished from this group.

GROW UP BOB, are you 16 years old???

The moderators have spoken.

 

[Should be playing golf]

FYI...Engineers at Powermaster agree with Jamie at Dead Dodge Garage!

 

[72RoadrunnerGTX]

FYI...Engineers at Powermaster agree with Jamie at Dead Dodge Garage!

About the “shunt wire” by-pass parallel approach? No they don’t, no electrical engineer that understands this original charging system would promote adding a parallel path around the only circuit protection for the all the stock unused wiring. Do you mean phone support techs at a reproduction alternator manufacturer? They would be only concerned with not having to deal with a warranty return caused by inadequate charge path wiring or poor installation skills.

BTW, what Mr Attwood currently promotes as a “shunt wire” bypass is nothing new, has been floating around for decades before DDG. It’s a lazy conflation of the MAD Electrical approach, but leaving a original charge path in place, circumventing the original circuit protection. As for this shunt wire bypass “Making everything safe”, that would be Dead (Dodge Garage) wrong. Makes things much more dangerous.

 

[Should be playing golf]

Give them a call. They say you can put in a 125 amp breaker or fuse in line but it's not necessary.

 

[72RoadrunnerGTX]

Give them a call.

no need

 

[Should be playing golf]

The other parallel leg still has the fusable link in it so both legs are then protected.

 

[72RoadrunnerGTX]

The other parallel leg still has the fusable link in it so both legs are then protected.

I take it you haven’t heard of Kirchhoff's current divider rule as it relates to circuit protection devices wired in parallel? The presents of a fusible link in the shunt wire still exposes the stock unfused wires and components to current levels well above their ampacity in the event of a short anywhere in the stock unfused wiring, very dangerous.

BTW, most of DDG’s early videos promoting the shunt wire bypass (like the video linked in this thread) do not include any circuit protection on the shunt wire, straight wire from the alternator to the battery, some other youtubers promote large battery cables, no circuit protection at all.

 

[ynst]

Some people, actually a lot of people simply don't understand electricity so thy ask questions.

Someone comes along and gives them an easy way around the problem so they start recommending it to everyone else because it TEMPORARILY solved their problem and, suddenly, it becomes the rule.

Instead of fixing the real problems (corroded terminals, fractured insulation, overheated terminals) they, simply bypass the offending circuit and thing all is well again.

Well, folks, it AIN'T

I would NEVER shunt a charging system component. I would fix the mechanical issues that are causing the problem, even if it meant replacing a portion of the factory wiring (chaffed wire, broken strands, etc.)

So Bob pisses folks off but he's right when it comes to electrical issues.

BTW, I have an electronics degree as well.

 

[RJRENTON]

Some people, actually a lot of people simply don't understand electricity so thy ask questions.

Someone comes along and gives them an easy way around the problem so they start recommending it to everyone else because it TEMPORARILY solved their problem and, suddenly, it becomes the rule.

Instead of fixing the real problems (corroded terminals, fractured insulation, overheated terminals) they, simply bypass the offending circuit and thing all is well again.

Well, folks, it AIN'T

I would NEVER shunt a charging system component. I would fix the mechanical issues that are causing the problem, even if it meant replacing a portion of the factory wiring (chaffed wire, broken strands, etc.)

So Bob pisses folks off but he's right when it comes to electrical issues.

BTW, I have an electronics degree as well.

Thank you for your support and understanding......your initial scenario about the subject self perpetuating, compounding itself with inaccurate information then complaining vehemently about my responses, is to be expected.....to this i say....Oh well.....
BOB RENTON

 

[Should be playing golf]

So Powermaster is wrong? Do it your way then. Powermaster is protecting the entire vintage vehicle just in the event someone does not sort out the original issue and keeps adding accessories to the system that was not designed for all that load.

 

[ynst]

Don't get me going about Powermaster. I'll just say that the owner thinks he knows everything but he doesn't, by any means.

 

[dadsbee]

Great stuff Bob! You've found 2, maybe 3 supporters for your rambling out of 15,000 members. Were you ever recruited to work on the shuttles Canada Arm right out of school..... no need for a response, I fully understand the charging system on both.

 

[72RoadrunnerGTX]

So Powermaster is wrong? Do it your way then. Powermaster is protecting the entire vintage vehicle just in the event someone does not sort out the original issue and keeps adding accessories to the system that was not designed for all that load.

If true, if anyone at Powermaster, (be it an engineer, phone support agent, or owner) is promoting running a direct wire between the battery and the alternator, overlaying-paralleling-shunting an intact Chrysler original stock charge path on these cars, YES, they would be wrong for the reasons already explained here and demonstrated in the linked video in post #32. They would not be protecting anything, would be effectively removing any and all circuit protection completely from the stock wiring. The only safe way to run the direct battery to alternator charge path is to abandon the original charge path altogether, that opens up another can of worms as it relates to vehicle loads and current stressing other stock wiring and connections not designed to handle the rerouted additional loading.

As for DDG’s electrical expertise, have you seen the lastest video? At about 8:05 we learn what happens when you run a later externally shunted ammeter in the place of an earlier full current ammeter.

 

[RJRENTON]

Great stuff Bob! You've found 2, maybe 3 supporters for your rambling out of 15,000 members. Were you ever recruited to work on the shuttles Canada Arm right out of school..... no need for a response, I fully understand the charging system on both.

CONGRATULATIONS......it sounds you are likely one of the 6 or 7 people that understand the Mopar charging system functionality.....perhaps, you could share your knowledge with the 14,993 members thar do not understand.......
BOB RENTON

 

[dadsbee]

I do every day asshole, instead of belittling them!