Anybody have knowledge of Gates industrial belts, need an odd belt...

[1 Wild R/T]

So, working on an older piece of agricultural equipment.... A tree shaker for getting the nuts out of trees.... It has recently been eating belts, I replaced the bearings in the idler pulley and the bearings in the shaking component also replaced the bushings in the hinged arm... Now I'm trying to source a proper belt... All the places are offering a belt of the proper length but the wrong shape, What they are showing is a hexagon shaped belt with equal length sides... the equal length sides lets the belt roll in the pulleys... The original belt for this machine is an elongated hex, the long sides create a deep V which rides deep in the pulleys preventing the belt rolling over in the pulleys... The shaking is pretty violent & the belts get a lot of weird forces acting on them..

The original Gates belt number is CC210X/AEXP. The belt cross section is shaped similar to my sketch

The belt being offered is a CC210. It's cross section is shown below...


I've tried quite a few local suppliers including one I use to work for... I've poked around online... I've had no luck.. So I'm hoping someone has a background in this sort of thing and can help me sort it out... Thanks!

 

[kiwigtx]

I've tried quite a few local suppliers including one I use to work for... I've poked around online... I've had no luck.. So I'm hoping someone has a background in this sort of thing and can help me sort it out... Thanks!

I've had a bit of a poke around also, and seen pretty much everything the same as your hexagon types above that won't work.

Have you considered changing the drive to Serpentine at all? Gear and idler changes ....may be able to find a belt that works, and more importantly one that stays in place while the machine is running.

 

[1967coronet]

I ran your gates # through a large John Deer parts sight and only come up with V belts to cross over.

 

[toolmanmike]

So, working on an older piece of agricultural equipment.... A tree shaker for getting the nuts out of trees.... It has recently been eating belts, I replaced the bearings in the idler pulley and the bearings in the shaking component also replaced the bushings in the hinged arm... Now I'm trying to source a proper belt... All the places are offering a belt of the proper length but the wrong shape, What they are showing is a hexagon shaped belt with equal length sides... the equal length sides lets the belt roll in the pulleys... The original belt for this machine is an elongated hex, the long sides create a deep V which rides deep in the pulleys preventing the belt rolling over in the pulleys... The shaking is pretty violent & the belts get a lot of weird forces acting on them..

The original Gates belt number is CC210X/AEXP. The belt cross section is shaped similar to my sketch

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The belt being offered is a CC210. It's cross section is shown below...
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I've tried quite a few local suppliers including one I use to work for... I've poked around online... I've had no luck.. So I'm hoping someone has a background in this sort of thing and can help me sort it out... Thanks!

Wow, that's a strange shape for sure. The double belt in the bottom photo is used on riding mower decks and they are designed to drive off both sides. Some of those decks have a crazy belt routing.

 

[1 Wild R/T]

I've had a bit of a poke around also, and seen pretty much everything he same as your hexagon types above that won't work.

Have you considered changing the drive to Serpentine at all? Gear and idler changes ....may be able to find a belt that works, and more importantly one that stays in place while the machine is running.

Changing to serpentine won't work, the belt routing causes the belt to turn in ways a multi groove belt could never duplicate...

The picture below is of a newer machine that doesn't use an idler but it is similar....

Plus the belt is 210 inches long, about 7/8" wide and 1 1/4"

 

[1 Wild R/T]

BTT Hoping someone knows where to source one of these things

 

[davek]

CC210 GATES Double Angled Replacement Hex Belt

Buy V-Belt Guys CC210 GOODYEAR Double Angled Replacement Hex Belt! Quick and Easy Timing Belt Cross Reference. Great Deals Fast Shipping!

www.vbeltguys.com

 

[davek]

Maybe this company can help.

 

[toolmanmike]

CC210 GATES Double Angled Replacement Hex Belt

Buy V-Belt Guys CC210 GOODYEAR Double Angled Replacement Hex Belt! Quick and Easy Timing Belt Cross Reference. Great Deals Fast Shipping!

www.vbeltguys.com

I would bet the belt he needs is a double angle belt. A careful look at the pulley angles will tell the story. If they are all the same, the double angle is what you need.

 

[1 Wild R/T]

Actually that's exactly where I got the picture of the wrong belt profile.... But I will contact them to see if they have access to the right belt.... Thanks!!

Email sent, most of it was a cut & paste from this thread...

 

[MarPar]

Did some pokin meself and came up with these. Hope somethin sticks to the wall for ya. lol

Gates C210 Belt

Hi-Power II Belt C Section - Price: $101.49 Width: 7/8"; Length: 214"; SKU: 9004-2210

www.biedlers-belts.com

Whoops, we couldn't find that.

The last link should work. Stupid internet. lol

 

[kiwigtx]

Changing to serpentine won't work, the belt routing causes the belt to turn in ways a multi groove belt could never duplicate...

The picture below is of a newer machine that doesn't use an idler but it is similar....

Plus the belt is 210 inches long, about 7/8" wide and 1 1/4"

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OK...so if a Serpentine belt is not going to work ...how about a custom-made round belt?

Just trying to think about how you can get up and running again.

 

[1 Wild R/T]

OK...so if a Serpentine belt is not going to work ...how about a custom-made round belt?

Just trying to think about how you can get up and running again.

I appreciate that, working on industrial equipment I've worked with round belts a fair amount, they suck where you have any serious amount of power/torque...

It is currently working, the farmer had stocked up on belts back around 2000 when the local tractor parts house was closing...

Unfortunately after breaking four belts this past harvest he only has this one last belt left so if it fails he's gonna have another problem...

Funny thing, the machine had been averaging three to four years out of a belt but when the bearing went bad it killed that belt and since replacing all the bearings in the various pulleys it killed three more belts...

Turned out the pulleys being loose allowed them to move with the belt, the belt was getting tossed more than normal because the swinging arm that clamps the tree trunk was flopping around due to worn bushings (to the point the pin was riding on steel instead of bronze) & guide surfaces...

I bored the bushing bore oversize, machined a repair sleeve, welded the sleeve into the arm, replaced the bushings... Machined a new pin... Welded up and machined the area where the guide pads ride.. Machined new UHMW wear pads... Generally rebuilt the head to like new condition & now it doesn't toss belts....

But if it does the man needs a spare... Or three... Downtime during harvest isn't an option...

 

[lemondana]

What is the name and number of the machine? Some of the above post mention Goodyear. Goodyear does not manufacture belts of any kind any more. They sold out to Continental. There might be some NOS Goodyear belts out there yet. Continental uses all of the same part numbers that Goodyear had. I possibly have some interchange caralogs around here yet. Name-Brand of equipment and the model number.

 

[Budnicks]

There used to be a place in Pittsburg Ca. 10th St. IIRC area,
east bay by Antioch off hwy 4, 10th street exit IIRC, off the frontage rd there
(If you know where the Nigerian Nationals/unsanctioned 300ft drags used to be held,
I cleaned the name up some, right next to it, see it off hwy 4, going west towards Concord)
Anyway;
King Bearing (it was called, no idea now) & had or used to,
they had all sorts of/or any industrial belts & such
(stuff used for the dealerships repairs too)
along with any or all bearing/s & race you'd ever need or want,
even automotive related 'just not listed as such', v-bely or 8mm or 1/2" pitch
pulleys for odd size armatures' (for electric/hydraulic motors) etc.
they'd match sizes, inner & outers, pitch, depth & races etc.
odd pillow bearing & shafts etc., not just quote out of a catalog, great place...

(haven't been there since last 3" 1/2" pitch Gilmer blower drive, 2007
I got it for an air handler cogged belt purchase, in a length nobody had for a Blower
so I sourced it thru industrial supplies, lasted forever too)

Graingers like @MarPar recommended too, may get lucky

 

[1 Wild R/T]

Heard back from V belt guys.....

Thank you for reaching out to us! This should be a CC210. Below is a link to this part on our site. Please let us know if you have any questions.

CC210 - CC210 Double Angled Hex V-Belt

Thank you!

So, after I told them in my email that it wasn't a CC210 they turn around & tell me it's a CC210.... Guess reading comprehension isn't their strong point...

 

[1 Wild R/T]

What is the name and number of the machine? Some of the above post mention Goodyear. Goodyear does not manufacture belts of any kind any more. They sold out to Continental. There might be some NOS Goodyear belts out there yet. Continental uses all of the same part numbers that Goodyear had. I possibly have some interchange caralogs around here yet. Name-Brand of equipment and the model number.

Well... The brand name is Orchard Machinery Corp... It is what in later years was called a Shockwave....Serial Number? This machine was built in 1979, It's one of the first production machines the company built & there is no Data plate... The factory repair manual specifically calls out a Gates CC210X/AEXP

I'm sure the suffix X/AEXP is what makes the belt special...

 

[Detective D]

A long shot-
The 1960's era New Holland square baler we had got a thrower attached to it in the early 1970's. The belt drive for the thrower had a belt like you describe.
maybe try a Ford/New Holland dealership and explain you are looking for a double sided, but unequal depth belt and see if they have a vendor.
I think AG dealerships are still going to be your best bet, but you will need to find one that still wants to help the little guys with old stuff.
If you have a dealership around that services old brands like MM, Oliver, White, Allis Chalmers, they might have the old school books and maybe contacts to get you something proper.


Personal comment: When I was growing up in the early 80's, AG dealerships still helped farmers keep equipment from the 1950's going even from long extinct brands. Globalisation has not been kind to repairs. Old stuff was not built in China, so China does not have the tooling to make parts for it.

 

[Detective D]

Maybe contact these guys?

Orchard Machinery Corporation - Tree Nut and Fruit Harvesting Solutions

OMC offers a full line of tree shakers, shuttles, carts, and tree nut and fruit harvesting solutions to meet the needs of modern growers around the world.

shakermaker.com

If nothing else maybe one of them knows what they went to design wise after the belt you have and offers a pulley swap kit or something, or has notes about where to get a replacement belt.

 

[1 Wild R/T]

Maybe contact these guys?

http://[URL]https://shakermaker.com

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If nothing else maybe one of them knows what they went to design wise after the belt you have and offers a pulley swap kit or something, or has notes about where to get a replacement belt.

I've dealt with OMC both in the next town over and their main facility in Yuba City... They are happy to sell the wrong belt (CC210) only thing is, they want $520 for the same belt I can buy from Motion Industries for $85...

Machines like this are rare here in California, most were turned in for environmental farm credits on new equipment... The whole tend is 1000 acre farms with all brand new equipment... There's a push for clean electric tractors... So the battery dies in the back of the property & there's no power available, Sorry, harvest has been put on hold till the tractor charges... Break out the solar panels..