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Uh oh...trunk stamp dont match.

??? So you've replaced the rears, now the original vin seq # is long gone. Do you re-stamp it in there? not sure if that's legal but hey what if you sell it and it ends up back here with the buyer asking hey how do I know this car was not a stolen clone? lmao but seriously did you even consider it?




Propwash said:
Yuppers.... They are two separate parts (quarters/gutters)


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I'm skeptical, because if it was rebodied , the guys would have known to get rid of that number at that location. Those people wouldn't have missed that. They aren't stupid. better to have no number than the wrong one. The state doesn't know it's there, and could do nothing even if they did. A six or eight digit number there is like flying to the moon with a compass. and, there are numerous reasons to have the wrong number there. I hung a whole section once, and ignored the number., around 1975. There is no way to know, and there is no reason to unnecessarily worry the present owner about it. These cars were Imperfect, and they still are.

You have a great car, and don't over analyze it.
 
bigmanjbmopar said:
??? So you've replaced the rears, now the original vin seq # is long gone. Do you re-stamp it in there? not sure if that's legal but hey what if you sell it and it ends up back here with the buyer asking hey how do I know this car was not a stolen clone? lmao but seriously did you even consider it?
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I just replaced the passenger side bigman. Took quite a bit of loving care, but I was able to keep the drivers side (knowing the VIN must stay on that gutter). If worse came to worse, I probably would have grafted the old stamp into a new gutter. The original gutter had a few holes, a ton of pits and needed a couple patches to be installed, but was salvageable.


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I'm just messin with you man lol but seriously is your car a clone now? lmao sorry laughing too hard at the Jeff Gordon test drive 2 vid
 
Oh I know...No worries. Car's no clone. Retains the original VIN on the dash, original VIN stamp on the radiator core, and original VIN stamp on the gutter, fender tag and tittle to boot.

As far as originality....well.........different engine, tranny, wiring, brakes, suspension, fuel system..ect..ect..lol But hey, started it's life as a bird and always will be.
 
Before the mid 90's, at least in California, where I grew up, these cars weren't worth much. In 1991, I was still able to routinely purchase a regular 68-70 big block b body for $400-900, running, needing paint/maybe interior work. If we slid into a guardrail and toasted a quarter, we either went to U pull it with a sawzall, or junked the car. Unless it was a real RT, hemi, 6 pack, etc, numbers matching meant little to nothing. They were hot rods, for cheap. Then the collectors got involved, and decided to start spending stupid money on stuff. And thinking a base model Road runner was important to be stock and numbers matching. Add in some of the stamps never made it on the car at the factory (lynch road cars seem to be hit and miss on rad stamps, from my observations), and, my concerns would only be if the papers/dash were wrong. Then again, is never pay the money some ppl would to have a "numbers" car. Big block+4speed=fun, period. B=Big, RB=really Big, LA=lame, anemic. Just my opinion, don't take it to seriously. :)
 
So good news...hopefully.

My last 6 of the VIN are 223367. Now that I found the right part of the trunk, it matches...or at least I think it does.

Definitely the 22..maybe a three and the other 3 is unreadable. Could be anything. The 6 is almost unreadable but I can see how it would be a 6 and the 7 is good. So I'm guessing with everything else lining up...its the right number.

Now that thats settled...time to get some gears installed. :)
 
I have seen numerous rebodied cars in my time and a thief or a crook is not smart to begin with or they won't perform these actions as they are illegal and many times they don't care thinking they will never get caught anyway. I recently parted for a friend a GTX that was rebodied they heated the area of the numbers tried to grid/sand and then stamped the GTX numbers right out over the other numbers and the characters were way wrong in size and font, not very smart i would say. Even left the original body number still on the drivers door which matched what could be seen of the body # again not too smart. I could go on and on what i have seen on loads of rebodied cars where the person doing it was not very smart. Another one i had was a post coupe 69 GTX again not too smart never made one. The state police and investigators most certainly do know where the hidden vins are and in many states to pass state inspection the body numbers are supposed to be checked by the inspection mechanic to pass inspection. Yes i know most don't do it but they are supposed to and if it comes back on them they could loose their inspection license. I think the OP is doing the right thing to analyze his investment and deserves to know what he has.

BTW OP glad you found out the # matches!!

monaco66coupe said:
I'm skeptical, because if it was rebodied , the guys would have known to get rid of that number at that location. Those people wouldn't have missed that. They aren't stupid. better to have no number than the wrong one. The state doesn't know it's there, and could do nothing even if they did. A six or eight digit number there is like flying to the moon with a compass. and, there are numerous reasons to have the wrong number there. I hung a whole section once, and ignored the number., around 1975. There is no way to know, and there is no reason to unnecessarily worry the present owner about it. These cars were Imperfect, and they still are.

You have a great car, and don't over analyze it.
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Hey look what I found, guess I hadn't crawled every inch of the car yet! lol

First, confirming my car is numbers matching. Then check out the sticker I found under the passenger side rear quarter. It say Chrysler Corporation San Leandro parts depot 955 Davis st 94577 SAN LEANDRO CALIFORNIA!! YOU don't know how significant this is because SL is MY HOME CITY!!! **** yeah! Not sure what is written in the lower section of the sticker, but I don't care this car has parts from a depot in my own home town which makes this car now extra special for me. Think I'm gunna cry now..... so happy......

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I'm curious if my '66 Coronet 440 2dr hdtop has same or similar stamp numbers front and back to check authenticity?

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Congratulations on your find BigMan, that's really terrific. Now we will need car pix too.
 
Wife heading out for a ride, after the carpet install and disk brake conversion I finally feel good about letting her take it out alone and enjoying it. Can't wait until I can have enough to do the body and paint. then weather stripping new windshields front and back and she's done. Except for maybe a 6 bbl ;)

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Congratulations bigman, after thinking about it for a while, I thought there was a good chance you were reading the part no. instead of the VIN stamp and I am glad it worked out. Finding that Chrysler sticker in the door was also a big bonus for you ! It's a beautiful RR and I am happy things worked out for you!
 
You've probably already been blacklisted by the rebody police, but happy to hear it matches for you :hello2:
 
Moparparts said:
I have seen numerous rebodied cars in my time and a thief or a crook is not smart to begin with or they won't perform these actions as they are illegal and many times they don't care thinking they will never get caught anyway. I recently parted for a friend a GTX that was rebodied they heated the area of the numbers tried to grid/sand and then stamped the GTX numbers right out over the other numbers and the characters were way wrong in size and font, not very smart i would say. Even left the original body number still on the drivers door which matched what could be seen of the body # again not too smart. I could go on and on what i have seen on loads of rebodied cars where the person doing it was not very smart. Another one i had was a post coupe 69 GTX again not too smart never made one. The state police and investigators most certainly do know where the hidden vins are and in many states to pass state inspection the body numbers are supposed to be checked by the inspection mechanic to pass inspection. Yes i know most don't do it but they are supposed to and if it comes back on them they could loose their inspection license. I think the OP is doing the right thing to analyze his investment and deserves to know what he has.

BTW OP glad you found out the # matches!!
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It is good that the number does match, but None of the Authorities in the states of Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Nebraska, or Iowa check that quarter panel VIN#, and A law enforcement officer did conduct the Inspections in every case. I lived in every one of those states, and my charger went with me. I tried to run that 8 digit vin# number on a 383 cuda a few years ago, through my brother, who was a Law enforcement officer and auto theft investigator in Phoenix for over 10 years. he laughed at me, and asked me what I thought he could do with that? Police dept's know that number is useless in the database unless all 13 are there. And even if it was, it would have to be flagged as a stolen for them to do anything about it. Also, Many cars lost their radiator supports, and quarters in accidents, so that number was frequently Incorrect because the quarter was replaced during a repair, or had no number at all. That in no way makes that car Incomplete. Otherwise, every car prior to 1969 without a fender tag wouldn't deserve a title. my two owner 67' has no radiator support SON number, and it has never been touched. You may have caught some stupid thieves, but there are ten times as many that don't get caught, because most professional thieves aren't stupid. And many of those cars aren't here anymore. Their overseas, mostly, and long gone. What is of concern is when there are no numbers, not the wrong one. This conversation is limited to older mopars, and doesn't apply to newer cars, as by 1980 there were numerous places that had numbers stamped, and a modern database of record was created.
 
I never said the OP's car was not complete or rebodied that was read in by you or others to suite how you wanted my comments to read in your mind but when numbers don't match many times that is the case more often than not and i feel the OP should know and find out what he had after all that was what he was asking. Even if it was rebodied and he was fine with that no problem as long as he knew that and was fine with it so be it. I have owned and documented hundreds of Mopars practically since they where new in 70 worked mechanics in a Chrysler dealership and yes there are times the number is missing at some locations or some number mistakes made at the factory and that does not mean the car is rebodied or stolen. I had survivor cars that had a number missing at some locations and even had a 340 Duster untouched that did not have any no where and never did and it was not stolen or rebodied. All this is beside the point i was trying to make. I was referring to a car being rebodied not about stealing a car and changing numbers (which in turn it could be) and i guess because a thief or a rebodie artist is a professional that makes him or her smart ? Really ? I don't think so! Just because they did not check the number in those states does not mean it is or was the right thing to do or is legal to do it and that it will never be checked in other states and come back on the person who did it or checked it. These are all things that are wrong and makes no sense at all with your comments. I never mentioned about running a sequence number for a stolen or rebodied car where did you come up with that of course that would not work. What i said was that police know where the body sequence numbers are to verify them with the vin of the car to make sure they match not verify the sequence number as being stolen! Yes rad supports, quarters, roof, body half clips and all other sorts of car structures got changed through the years i should know i changed hundreds of them through the years in body shops i worked in, ran and owned for the past 40 years! Yes i am also quite aware of the numbers being stamped and labeled on later model vehicles many places as i did collision repairs on later model vehicles as well as restorations.

monaco66coupe said:
It is good that the number does match, but None of the Authorities in the states of Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Nebraska, or Iowa check that quarter panel VIN#, and A law enforcement officer did conduct the Inspections in every case. I lived in every one of those states, and my charger went with me. I tried to run that 8 digit vin# number on a 383 cuda a few years ago, through my brother, who was a Law enforcement officer and auto theft investigator in Phoenix for over 10 years. he laughed at me, and asked me what I thought he could do with that? Police dept's know that number is useless in the database unless all 13 are there. And even if it was, it would have to be flagged as a stolen for them to do anything about it. Also, Many cars lost their radiator supports, and quarters in accidents, so that number was frequently Incorrect because the quarter was replaced during a repair, or had no number at all. That in no way makes that car Incomplete. Otherwise, every car prior to 1969 without a fender tag wouldn't deserve a title. my two owner 67' has no radiator support SON number, and it has never been touched. You may have caught some stupid thieves, but there are ten times as many that don't get caught, because most professional thieves aren't stupid. And many of those cars aren't here anymore. Their overseas, mostly, and long gone. What is of concern is when there are no numbers, not the wrong one. This conversation is limited to older mopars, and doesn't apply to newer cars, as by 1980 there were numerous places that had numbers stamped, and a modern database of record was created.
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Robe81 said:
So good news...hopefully.

My last 6 of the VIN are 223367. Now that I found the right part of the trunk, it matches...or at least I think it does.

Definitely the 22..maybe a three and the other 3 is unreadable. Could be anything. The 6 is almost unreadable but I can see how it would be a 6 and the 7 is good. So I'm guessing with everything else lining up...its the right number.

Now that thats settled...time to get some gears installed. :)
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I thought this was going to turn out OK.
 
Moparparts said:
I never said the OP's car was not complete or rebodied that was read in by you or others to suite how you wanted my comments to read in your mind but when numbers don't match many times that is the case more often than not and i feel the OP should know and find out what he had after all that was what he was asking. Even if it was rebodied and he was fine with that no problem as long as he knew that and was fine with it so be it. I have owned and documented hundreds of Mopars practically since they where new in 70 worked mechanics in a Chrysler dealership and yes there are times the number is missing at some locations or some number mistakes made at the factory and that does not mean the car is rebodied or stolen. I had survivor cars that had a number missing at some locations and even had a 340 Duster untouched that did not have any no where and never did and it was not stolen or rebodied. All this is beside the point i was trying to make. I was referring to a car being rebodied not about stealing a car and changing numbers (which in turn it could be) and i guess because a thief or a rebodie artist is a professional that makes him or her smart ? Really ? I don't think so! Just because they did not check the number in those states does not mean it is or was the right thing to do or is legal to do it and that it will never be checked in other states and come back on the person who did it or checked it. These are all things that are wrong and makes no sense at all with your comments. I never mentioned about running a sequence number for a stolen or rebodied car where did you come up with that of course that would not work. What i said was that police know where the body sequence numbers are to verify them with the vin of the car to make sure they match not verify the sequence number as being stolen! Yes rad supports, quarters, roof, body half clips and all other sorts of car structures got changed through the years i should know i changed hundreds of them through the years in body shops i worked in, ran and owned for the past 40 years! Yes i am also quite aware of the numbers being stamped and labeled on later model vehicles many places as i did collision repairs on later model vehicles as well as restorations.
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The point is the same. cops look for stolens, not that every number matches. If they did, don't you agree every pre 69 car without a fender tag would fail the inspection, because you can't prove that dash VIN belongs to that car., as the numbers don't match, and the car is now suspect. Ask any cop to crawl in the trunk and look at 8 digits, and say it isn't numbers matching, and deny a title issue, not likely. . They know that number isn't a factor in getting a title. Just like no radiator support number won't stop you from getting a title, or the wrong number on the engine. a number turning up stolen will.
I'm sure the police in your state is the same as all the others, they look for stolen cars. my 70' challenger went to PA, and all the body numbers were off one digit from the Dash VIN#. he had no problem getting a new title.(2007) I've also restored mopars for forty years, and bought cars from all over the U.S. I've been in countless title offices, from new Jersey to California. The rules were all the same. Good title, good VIN# on the dash, you got a new title. The gentlemans car was well documented, even if he had found the wrong number there, there was no reason to assume that the car was possibly rebodied.


In a nut shell, that was my only point to my original post, like several of the others.
 
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