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Has anyone upgraded their taillights to LED's?

For some reason in this discussion the thought of "dim" keeps reoccurring. :lol:

"NOTE: Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs) illuminate 200 milliseconds faster than incandescent bulbs For an automobile this means a faster braking distance response time, about a full car length of extra stopping distance at 65 MPH."


LED Stop Lamps Help Reduce the Number and Severity of Automobile Accidents Application Note 1155-3 NOTE: Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs) illuminate 200 milliseconds faster than incandescent bulbs For an automobile this means a faster braking distance response time, about a full car length of extra stopping distance at 65 MPH. Summary Another benefit of LED rear brake lamps is their significantly faster turn-on time than conventional incandescent signal lamps. This faster turn-on time provides a safety benefit to the vehicle following the vehicle using faster brake lights in situations requiring fast braking responses. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s (NHTSA) 1996 Traffic Safety Facts estimates that 28% of all accidents are caused by one vehicle rear-ending another vehicle. This is the second largest cause of accidents (the largest cause being angled collisions between two vehicles at 36%). A recent article in Ward’s Auto World quotes Robert Schumacher, Delphi’s director of advanced engineering, as follows: “Our research shows that between 37% and 74% of rear-end collisions are preventable by early warning systems.... Just 0.5 seconds [500 ms] in early warning would reduce rear-end collisions by 60%.” Two UMTRI studies conclude that LED signals provide a braking response time advantage between 170 and 200 ms under favorable lighting conditions and up to 300 ms under adverse lighting conditions (e.g., viewing at a distance with high-intensity illumination on the lamp surface). Note that a 200 ms improvement in braking response time is equivalent to a 19.1 feet reduction in stopping distance at a speed of 65 MPH. In addition, the turn-on time for incandescent bulbs is adversely affected by reduced voltage at the signal light. A study by NHTSA of 546 large trucks showed that some trucks have such large voltage drops in the wiring that the voltage across the signal lamp is reduced to voltages in the range of 5.5 to 8.8 V. A study by UMTRI shows that at these reduced voltages, the turn-on times of incandescent bulbs can increase by as much as a factor of two. This means that braking response time of the following driver would be adversely affected by the response time of the truck’s stop lamp. In addition, the light output of the signal light can be reduced to 5% of the nominal value, which could cause the following driver to confuse the tail and stop signal functions. Thus, the use of LED brake lights for heavy trucks would provide an even larger safety benefit than for passenger vehicles. In addition to the benefits caused by the faster response time of LED brake lamps, another safety benefit is that emergency flashers using LED signal lights reduce the electrical current drain on the car battery. The expected electrical current required for LED signal lights is covered in detail in Application Note 1155-2, “Electrical Power Consumption Savings for LED Signal Lights.” Reduced electrical current usage increases the operating time of the flashers as well as reduces the likelihood of a dead battery. Studies by NHTSA indicate that the braking response time improvement for the use of incandescent bulb Center High2 Mount Stop Lamps (CHMSL) is in the range of 90 ms for light trucks and 110 ms for passenger vehicles. NHTSA has evaluated the long-term effectiveness of CHMSL for reducing accidents and concluded that they reduce the incidence of rear-end collisions by 4.33 per cent. At the time the study was done, almost all of the CHMSL on the road used incandescent bulb technology. The report concludes that if every car and light truck had a CHMSL that they would reduce property damage associated with motor vehicle crashes by $655 million per year. Another NHTSA report concluded that property damage only accounts for 35% to 24% of the complete economic costs due to motor vehicle crashes. Thus, the total economic cost saved by the use of incandescent bulb CHMSL is in the range of $1.87 billion to $2.73 billion per year. Considering that there are 192,213,000 registered vehicles during the year of the study, then the total economic cost saving for the use of incandescent bulb CHMSL is in the range of $9.73 to $14.19 per vehicle per year. If the average life of a motor vehicle is 10 years, then the total economic savings for the use of an incandescent bulb CHMSL is in the range of $97 to $141. The braking response time due to the use of LED signals is in the order of 200 to 300 ms for passenger vehicles, and even more for large trucks. NHTSA concluded that the braking response time for the use of incandescent bulb CHMSL is in the range of 90 to 110 ms. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that the economic cost savings of LED rear brake lights and CHMSLs should be significantly larger in reducing the number and severity of motor vehicle crashes than the economic cost savings of incandescent bulb CHMSLs alone. Detail It is generally well known that LED technology has a significantly faster turn-on time than incandescent bulbs. Typical incandescent bulbs used for automotive signal lighting have turn-on times in the range of 100 to 300 ms.[1] In general, the turnon of LED lamps is less than 100 ns. Further, LED lamps don’t exhibit a high in-rush current, which might further delay the turn-on time. This faster turn-on time provides a safety benefit to the vehicle following the vehicle using faster brake lights in situations requiring fast braking responses. For example, at a speed of 65 miles per hour, a 200 ms faster braking response time from the driver in the following vehicle would reduce the minimum braking distance by: A number of incandescent bulbs were characterized to determine the turn-on time when driven with a fast rise time circuit. The basic circuit used a high current power supply (>17 A) supplying current to the bulb and power MOSFET switch. The power supply was set to 12.8 V. The power MOSFET had an on resistance of 0.1 ohm and switching speed of 50 ns. The bulb was mounted at the end of a #16 gauge 10 foot wire harness (20 feet supply and return) to simulate the effect of wire inductance that would be experienced in an automotive application. Typical results for one of the bulbs and an LED CHMSL array are shown in Figure 1. The summary of results is shown in Table 1. Distance traveled = (65 mph)(5280 feet/mile)(1/3600 hour/sec)(0
That looks like a resounding yes to LED bulbs.
 
No, the resistors are for more modern cars that check to see if bulbs are out by circuit resistance. You add them so the car isn't constantly telling you that you have a bulb out.
I see Amazon has the LED flashers, I can just switch over and see what happens and get the proper flasher if needed.
 
I switched over to LEDs on a '73 Charger. I used the Digitails kit. Excellent quality,easy install, and no need to change the flasher. The front incandescent bulbs provide enough resistance to trigger the flasher. They work great, very bright; no issues. The only drawback is the wait time for shipping. It's about 6-8 months.
Looks like a pretty cool kit, too bad they didn't incorporate the lens into their setup.
 
i converted the innermost bulb sockets on my charger to the 1157 sockets years ago, so all six bulbs are turn and brake function.
when i updated to LED's last year, it was surprising just how much brighter the tail lights are in both functions ! [tail lights and stop/turn function]
at the same time, i converted the park lights and hood mounted turn signal indicators to LED's as well.
of course i had to install an electronic flasher unit at the same time.
however, the original 4 way flasher makes the 4 ways act the same as with the incandescent bulbs. not sure why that is, but i have an electronic flasher for those if i ever need to convert it.
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On the subject of LEDs, I’m looking at the Holley RetroBright led headlights, they simply plug in and look original. Has anyone installed these? If so would you recommend them?
Thanks
 
On the subject of LEDs, I’m looking at the Holley RetroBright led headlights, they simply plug in and look original. Has anyone installed these? If so would you recommend them?
Thanks
Kinda pricey though. Looks like they are $200 a pop.
 
I have used Holley Retro bright head lights on all three of my cars. Very happy with them. They are expensive but worth it. Shop around around prices vary.
 
Kinda pricey though. Looks like they are $200 a pop.
Yes they’re not cheap, though as 71RRHI mentioned, I’m finding varying prices
 
I've just bought the "Digi-Tails" kit for full panel LEDs and a sequential indicator option. My plan was to install them this weekend so I'll take some pics during the install andnupload a video of how they perform at night when done.
I'd do a comparison but I switched to LED replacement bulbs years ago.
 
On the subject of LEDs, I’m looking at the Holley RetroBright led headlights, they simply plug in and look original. Has anyone installed these? If so would you recommend them?
Thanks
Here U go..
On my 70 RR I went to the Holley retrobrights 2 years ago. At that time Holley only had the high/low type
so I installed (4) high/lows but I fabricated a Y adapter using ceramic sockets from Amazon wiring each pair
of LEDs in parallel so I have either (4) lows or (4) highs. I thought (4) may be too bright but since LEDs have a
broader/wider dispersion than the OE incadecsents so it was fine. Note that the retrobrights are shallow in depth
so no modifying for the mounting buckets are required and they run cool with their aluminum extruded heat sink.
They are pricey but shop around with some sellers U can negotiate prices. Final note, since LEDs run on current drawing about
75% less than the OE incadescents no wiring mods or relays are required.

Just my $0.02... :thumbsup:

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I have a 4 lamp Holley LED set on the shelf.
Can you share what kind of vertical dispersion do they have?
Meaning, if you pull up level to a blank light colored wall at night with the low beams lit, do they have a definitive beam cutoff, say at waist level or is the whole wall blasted?
I prefer to be respectful of oncoming drivers, regardless whether or not they share the same thoughts.
 
I'm taking my 67 Coronet out for a cruise this afternoon will be returning well after dark. My garage door is white, so I'll try and take a picture for you.
 
I have a 4 lamp Holley LED set on the shelf.
Can you share what kind of vertical dispersion do they have?
Meaning, if you pull up level to a blank light colored wall at night with the low beams lit, do they have a definitive beam cutoff, say at waist level or is the whole wall blasted?
I prefer to be respectful of oncoming drivers, regardless whether or not they share the same thoughts.

The retrobrights have a narrow vertical dispersion...
and a very defined upper to lower dispersion output.
In my case I wanted more brightness and wider, horizontal dispersion.
Note that the OE incadescents have a more narrower, focused dispersion.
After installing my 1st concern was that the retrobrights may be too bright and
annoy oncoming vehicles but the end result was just the opposite. Their light output is softer,
well-directed and lights up the road in front just fine. Also in my install my OEs were properly adjusted,
just bolted up the retrobrights so I didn't have to make any headlight adjustments.
Final note, my retrobrights were the Classic White type..

Just my $0.02.... :thumbsup:
 
Thank you, that would be very informative.
So there is a slight down hill slope going into my garage. But you can see there is a a cut off line in the light I would say about the same
as the original lights. Also note these are the classic white style.
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I can say, that since switching to the Holley retro brights, driving my classic cars at night is about equal to driving my 2019 Ram 1500. Head light visibility wise.
 
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