440 Budget Build - Dyno results

[Hemirunner]

I have a lot of experience building hemis. They put the 1/2" pickup in to band aid two problems common to hemis: over oiling the rockers and poor oil return to the crankcase. If you've ever used a set of RBRE hemi rockers you know that you can solve the overoiling issue. Once you solve the overoiling issue, the poor return issue isn't nearly the problem it once was. If you've ever run lifter bushings with RBRE rockers, you probably realize that proper oiling is putting the right amount of oil where you need it, when you need it. No more, no less. I could oil almost any BBM or hemi with a 3/8 pickup and stock pump save for the top alcohol and fuel engines, obviously.

 

[fratzog lover]

Agreed. There's a few million Chrysler big blocks that did just fine without it.

 

[Gpuller]

Did I read that the heads were run OTB? No touch up on the ports or valves?
Very nice combo, I'd be happy with that. LOL

 

[Hemirunner]

Did I read that the heads were run OTB? No touch up on the ports or valves?
Very nice combo, I'd be happy with that. LOL

I visually inspected them to verify that the stems all had assembly lube on them, cleaned the deck surfaces and bolted them on. No valve job or porting. Literally OOTB.

 

[Derwud]

Bringing this back up, what about the Torker 2 intake, a little less streetable, but somewhere between Performer and Victor..

 

[Matrix2]

Close to my budget build for the street
Stock 440, .030 over
SRP pistons, 10:1 CR
Edelbrock 60929 heads
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake
Holley Street Avenger 770
Comp cam, hydraulic lifters, rockers
MSD 8387 distributor

 

[verdelaw]

Close to my budget build for the street
Stock 440, .030 over
SRP pistons, 10:1 CR
Edelbrock 60929 heads
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake
Holley Street Avenger 770
Comp cam, hydraulic lifters, rockers
MSD 8387 distributor

Like someone else asked.. everyone keeps talking about these "budget" builds... how much did you spend?

The OP spent on his main approximate parts list... about... $5400ish (not sure why he couldn't just tell us). Plus machine shop work. Plus all the other stuff/actions he listed. That's a big budget.

 

[mentor70]

Like someone else asked.. everyone keeps talking about these "budget" builds... how much did you spend?

The OP spent on his main approximate parts list... about... $5400ish (not sure why he couldn't just tell us). Plus machine shop work. Plus all the other stuff/actions he listed. That's a big budget.

a BB mopar "budget" build is around 5500-7500$

 

[Derwud]

I want his "budget"

 

[verdelaw]

a BB mopar "budget" build is around 5500-7500$

If a budget build is considered to be around $5500-$7500 for a 440... what is considered to be a standard price tag for a 440 build up?... $10k-$15k? More?...

I want his "budget"

Aye me too

 

[Hemirunner]

The cost of building this combo all depends upon your level of understanding of these engines and your ability to assemble and tune. I left this as parts only so you could figure that part out for yourself. If you just want to write a check for a dyno'd engine, this deal would be approximately $8500 which is more than reasonable. If you don't dyno it and can do all the work yourself, you're probably in for about $6500 ish. Is this really so hard to figure out or are you guys just too lazy to do it?

 

[Derwud]

First thanks for the build and real HP numbers. There is a lot of great info. As for the budget issue, reading magazines and some posts, you don't always get a true picture of true costs start to finish, between sponsorship deals and reusing parts or parts off the shelf from previous projects. It is always best to get real world build costs to go from start to finish..

Now, what would you think of using the Torker II vs Performer RPM??

Again thanks for the info...

 

[IQ52]

First thanks for the build and real HP numbers. There is a lot of great info. As for the budget issue, reading magazines and some posts, you don't always get a true picture of true costs start to finish, between sponsorship deals and reusing parts or parts off the shelf from previous projects. It is always best to get real world build costs to go from start to finish..

Now, what would you think of using the Torker II vs Performer RPM??

Again thanks for the info...

496/440 on the dyno. Deep gasket matched Torker II, deep gasket matched Edelbrock RPM and fully ported RPM.

RPM..............Trkr II TQ/HP.................RPM TQ/HP............Ported RPM HP/TQ

3000.................514/293....................543/310..............541/309
3200.................544/331....................579/353..............570/347
3400.................590/382....................615/398..............614/398
3600.................612/420....................632/433..............639/438
3800.................606/439....................632/457..............638/462
4000.................607/463....................630/480..............639/486
4200.................608/486....................624/499..............628/502
4400.................599/502....................604/506..............611/512
4600.................609/533....................600/526..............607/531
4800.................617/564....................605/553..............607/554
5000.................616/586....................612/582..............609/579
5200.................612/605....................599/593..............614/608
5400.................600/617....................601/618..............597/614
5600.................589/628....................586/625..............590/629
5800.................574/634....................565/624..............578/638
6000.................554/633....................540/617..............550/628

 

[Derwud]

Thank you... Very interesting.. I like the lower RPM power of the RPM..

 

[IQ52]

Crap, you're gonna ask about the Victor too. This is a gasket matched and plenum blended Victor. It is not a plenum ported Victor, it still has the throat right under the carburetor mounting flange. Do not remove the throat unless you are going to use a spacer and wind the engine to the sky.

RPM.............TQ/HP

3000.........522/298
3200.........539/329
3400.........591/382
3600.........609/418
3800.........611/442
4000.........614/467
4200.........615/491
4400.........602/505
4600.........606/531
4800.........608/556
5000.........617/588
5200.........619/612
5400.........606/623
5600.........597/636
5800.........584/644
6000.........564/644

 

[Derwud]

Nope, wasn't going to ask about the Victor... Want to keep some low end..

 

[dvw]

I'm curious why you didn't mill the heads and get the compression up around 11-1? Cheap upgrade, still runs on pump gas. Your thoughts?
Doug