Engine Fire, Not Charging

[win32exe]

Hey Team, A friend of mine who has a 67 satellite had a small engine fire and i replaced a few damaged items like plug wires, fuel hoses, plastic accelerator pump arm etc, we got the car running safely again but now it doesn't charge, i have a 67 Belvedere but mine has an internal regulator, single wire alternator so i cant use mine to aid in troubleshooting.

i need to chase voltages to see where the dead wires are, i am betting the Alt and regulator are still good but some of the wiring is a little crisp.

Pic 2 i see on the back of the alt. one of the fld connections is hooked up and the other fld isn't and that connector that isn't is too wide for a regular spade connector, the alt wasn't near the fire, but is that connection ok like that?

Pic 1 shows the ballast and what i think is the voltage regulator, how do i test the wiring for correct voltages.

car runs but doesn't charge, any help is appreciated

Henry

 

[Don67Satellite]

You need to run a wire from the 2nd alt spade to the body of the alt to ground it.

 

[Don67Satellite]

 

[Don Frelier]

Based on purely what I can see, I'd recommend getting a new engine harness.
The wiring condition does not look safe to me.
Classic Industries offers them (but their website is pretty crappy so you have to look carefully)
I would recommend considering the ones with electronic voltage regulator and maybe the Chyrsler electronic ignition plugs.
Here is the stock one:
https://www.classicindustries.com/product/1967/plymouth/satellite/parts/mp900137.html

This is really cheap insurance.

 

[win32exe]

Based on purely what I can see, I'd recommend getting a new engine harness.
The wiring condition does not look safe to me.
Classic Industries offers them (but their website is pretty crappy so you have to look carefully)
I would recommend considering the ones with electronic voltage regulator and maybe the Chyrsler electronic ignition plugs.
Here is the stock one:
https://www.classicindustries.com/product/1967/plymouth/satellite/parts/mp900137.html

Thank you, that looks good, i will run it by him, that one says Stock Style Breaker Points, i didnt see any points in the distro, its a pickup coil, will that harness still work?

Thanks again

Henry

 

[Don Frelier]

Thank you, that looks good, i will run it by him, that one says Stock Style Breaker Points, i didnt see any points in the distro, its a pickup coil, will that harness still work?

Thanks again

Henry
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No you'd need the modified version that I mentioned.
I didn't notice the corner of the orange box in the one picture.
I like the electronic voltage regulator much better with the new harness it's really easy.

 

[win32exe]

No you'd need the modified version that I mentioned.
I didn't notice the corner of the orange box in the one picture.
I like the electronic voltage regulator much better with the new harness it's really easy.

i didn't see the modified version, just BB and SB, do they sell it? do you have a link for the electronic VR? pretty sure he would like to go with a better solution.

Thanks again

Henry

 

[win32exe]

i didn't see the modified version, just BB and SB, do they sell it? do you have a link for the electronic VR? pretty sure he would like to go with a better solution.

Thanks again

Henry

i think that orange box thing is the ECU

 

[Don Frelier]

i didn't see the modified version, just BB and SB, do they sell it? do you have a link for the electronic VR? pretty sure he would like to go with a better solution.

Thanks again

Henry

https://www.classicindustries.com/product/1967/plymouth/satellite/parts/mp900138.html

This one has the connector for the ignition but I don't see the connector for the electronic voltage regulator in the picture?
They are available from RockAuto though.

 

[win32exe]

https://www.classicindustries.com/product/1967/plymouth/satellite/parts/mp900138.html

This one has the connector for the ignition but I don't see the connector for the electronic voltage regulator in the picture?
They are available from RockAuto though.

that looks even better but its not in stock, do you know of anyone else who might have that same harness?

what about the first piece of advice i got about grounding the second fld contact on the alternator, i do see talk around that point but not sure his engine fire could have undone that, maybe his car never charged since he swapped the alternator? its a pretty sweet car, he doesn't drive it much.

Thank you Don

 

[Don Frelier]

that looks even better but its not in stock, do you know of anyone else who might have that same harness?

what about the first piece of advice i got about grounding the second fld contact on the alternator, i do see talk around that point but not sure his engine fire could have undone that, maybe his car never charged since he swapped the alternator? its a pretty sweet car, he doesn't drive it much.

Thank you Don

Put an ohm meter on that field terminal between the metal and the case.
It needs to be connected to the case with the old style points voltage regulator.
It does look like it might be insulated from the case (or open), if so then it will not charge.
Or just put a test jumper to a good ground and see if it charges.

 

[win32exe]

Put an ohm meter on that field terminal between the metal and the case.
It needs to be connected to the case with the old style points voltage regulator.
It does look like it might be insulated from the case (or open), if so then it will not charge.
Or just put a test jumper to a good ground and see if it charges.

ohhh, the points are in the VR? and he has a points style VR? the black box next to the wiper motor? my setup is different

 

[win32exe]

Hey team, i installed a new wiring harness, the new harness came with one FLD connection for the alternator, it fired right up but still isn't charging, i grounded the second FLD connection and it still doesn't charge, do i need to jump the 2 FLD connections? my 67 belvedere has both FLD connections wired.

Don, what does the Ohm meter between the second FLD and ground tell me? how do i determine if needs to be grounded (which i already tried) or excited?

Thank you

Henry

 

[Don Frelier]

With a old point style regulator one terminal gets excitation voltage and the other gets grounded.
The newer solid state regulator runs 2 wires and neither terminal on the alternator is grounded.

See if you have voltage on either terminal of the voltage regulator when running. You can also jump across the regulator temporarily and see if it charges.
Either the regulator is bad or the alternator is if you grounded 1 terminal and it didn't change.

 

[win32exe]

With a old point style regulator one terminal gets excitation voltage and the other gets grounded.
The newer solid state regulator runs 2 wires and neither terminal on the alternator is grounded.

See if you have voltage on either terminal of the voltage regulator when running. You can also jump across the regulator temporarily and see if it charges.
Either the regulator is bad or the alternator is if you grounded 1 terminal and it didn't change.

is there any visual way to tell which voltage regulator is installed, points vs electronic?

do i leave the regulator connections in place while i temporarily jump across the connections? or disconnect the leads and jump the two leads?

what will happen if i excite the second FLD connector and shouldn't have? will it break anything?

I'm learning a lot with this

Thank you Don

 

[Don Frelier]

The black voltage regulator in this picture is definitely a points style unit:

This is what a solid state regulator looks like:

You can jump accross the existing regulator you've shown with a wire.
All the regulator does is close/open a set of points within.
I don't see a problem if you accidentally power both field wires at the alternator, it just wont charge.

 

[win32exe]

this is making sense now, my belvedere has the solid state regulator and has both FLD excited, his satellite has the points style and one FLD should be grounded.

i will ground 1 FLD, jump the VR with the connections in place and see if it charges, does that sound proper?

the fire was in the VR area, maybe the heat took its toll on it

Thx, ill post my results

Henry