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I posted this on another board. I'm interested in what others think. I think race attendance is down because fewer people find it interesting enough to attend. In my opinion some of the new stock classes are very interesting and competitive.

NHRA should eliminate Pro Stock and replace it with this:

http://www.nhra.com/story/2016/11/3/nhra-factory-stock-showdown-expands-to-five-events-in-2017/

More interesting, more competitive, more competitors, less cost, cars run in the 8's, they look like what we see on the street, you can buy one from your local dealer, etc, etc. A lot like pro stock was before it became a class that doesn't share a single part with any factory car. And they call them "factory hot rods". I'd much rather see the factory stock show down on TV. Mildly modified show room cars running 8.0's! These cars are incredible!

http://www.nhra.com/story/2016/9/2/2016-indy-notebook-other-news/

Take the blowers off the pro mod cars and leave those for funny cars where they belong.

Just two-cents worth from an old-timer.
 
Never see it in our life time. NHRA don't give a crap about sportsman racers.
You are right.Even though I still enjoy it I have lost interest because of Teams and Megabuck Owners. What fun is it to see 4 funnycars race each other to the finals all owned by the same team.I completely understand that pro motorsports are all about who has the most money.Gone are the days that the Owner,Builder,Driver and pit crew are all the same guy ! Stock,Superstock doorslammers are more what the everyday guy relates to. Just a thought...
 
As an old time bracket racer, NHRA always seemed to be way to much for themselves, than the "little guy" racers. IMO
 
I ran Super Street when it was fairly young when hardly anyone used the electronic crap on them (robot cars) and really liked it. Heads up and run the number and you make changes to YOURSELF or adjust the car for the weather or track conditions without the electronic crap. The fans seemed to like it too....until everyone started using the electronic crap...especially delay boxes. No one liked watching someone launch and then coast for X amount of time only to take off again. I remember the first time a friend went to the track with me just to watch and he said WTF is that sheet and got up and looked at me. I laughed and walked away with him.
 
1. I'm for Pro Stock because to me it is the "only place" a regular guy "can kind of" race
(Im tired of the John force style racing with 3 or 4 cars, uber millionaires)
2. I'd hate to see Pro Stock go away.
3. YES, I think we should see Factory "Homologated: style cars race!

GREAT IDEA!
 
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I'm with you cranky, I stepped away from racing during the 80's till almost 98.I went to the drags and saw Super Gas with throttle stops that hardly squeeked the tires and rolled away from the line like a moped.....I was like "WHAT the F^%& is this ?? This ain't RACIN''.......
 
And Super Comp is even worse. I understand the need for classes where you can compete without having cubic dollars. The index classes would be better if electronics were limited. But then I'm afraid enforcement and inspection would get complicated.
 
nhra, nascar, who cares anymore. sad part is that neither will roll over and die and let something else take their place.
 
It's not what it used to be! I helped out with a Super Comp team and we had a ball. It's affordable for a lot but that became the problem with a couple of hundred entries per meet.
I understand the schedule that they have to meet but back when they dropped ProMods, I could see things were becoming too much for them.
Take your car to the local tracks for your own drag racing fix and go as a spectator to the National meets once or twice a year just for grins.
 
It's not what it used to be! I helped out with a Super Comp team and we had a ball. It's affordable for a lot but that became the problem with a couple of hundred entries per meet.
I understand the schedule that they have to meet but back when they dropped ProMods, I could see things were becoming too much for them.
Take your car to the local tracks for your own drag racing fix and go as a spectator to the National meets once or twice a year just for grins.
i still like nhra,but it needs to make some changes in a few areas,there marketing campaign is non existent,it has priced to many pro racers out of the sport,to many multi car owners,they need more sponsorship for their teams,pit passes are not as fun as they use to be,no eng reving like they use to,that got fans excited.fox sport 1 has gave more exposure than espn did though.attendance is down.they should let pro stock run bigger engines with lot more horspower,their access to drivers and crews are great,lot of people want the 1/4 mile runs back.
 
I don't see them doing any of that stuff...

As a life long racer,
NHRA Comp lic. holder 9.99 or better since 1977
been drag racing since 1974-1975, been at best 5.90's @ 227
Ran a bunch of Heads Up door slammer 6, 7 & 8 sec. stuff
or Comp. Classes/Index classes altereds & dragsters,
in some sort of all out tube chassis real racecars,
some with doors & some without doors,
or some day 2 street beater/muscle car etc., been there done that...

a what IF scenario, dreaming ????
I'd like to see them get rid of T/F all together
Maybe bring back Fuel Altered,
have/bring some showmanship back in drag racing
CH3N02/Nitro classes are for big buck operations, rich dudes, big $$ sponsors
unless they go back to;
431ci max, less %'s of Nitro, single fuel pump & mags/plugs etc.,
2 disc clutches, no clutch management systems/drivers assistance etc.,
6:71 blowers, limit the boost/overdrive etc.,
less wing/down-force, a spec-tire etc.,
so the common guy could compete again,
without having a multi-million $$$ sponsorship, a privateer can compete !!
or Maybe have the T/A classes be the top show, let them loose,
let them make as much power as possible !!
Pro-Mod & Top-Sportsman be the top door slammers {my pers. favorites}
than maybe have a Stock body class of some sort, to replace Pro-Stock
with a 5 year body style limits, factory bodies, not swoopy stuff &
carbon fiber, no $10k per shock/electronic shocks pricey BS...
With everyone running a 0.4 pro-tree, make it simple...

IMO the best of any class is & always be Comp eliminator class,
weight per/ci & specific rules for all engines, cars/classes,
suspensions, tires, windows, cages/bars, body alterations etc.

Super Stock & Stock Elim.
are both cubic $$$$ classes now big $$$ cars & operations
to buy & to operate, it's not 1968 anymore,
it's well over $150k-$200k or more, to get in it today,
it's no longer the little guy privateers, unless they've
owned the car for decades already doing it & spent the $$$ over decades...

I really liked the ol' Pro-Gas 8.50 door-slammers class,
it had a bunch of low buck operations &/or privateers
{for the times is was a bit pricey to, build a car & actually run
8.50's in the late 70's early 80's
},
before it turned to Top-Sportsman, than evolved into Pro-Mod we have now...

Disclaimer;
what I type next is not meant to offend/insult anyone,
it's brutal honesty/facts & truth, please don't take what I say out of context...


IMO the Super classes, 10.90 S/ST, 9.90 S/G, 8.90 S/C
{S/E 7.90 back in the day, we had rarely any electronics for driver aids}
is throttle stop electronic gadget central, boring as hell to see/watch as a spectator,
Boring to watch some guy launch & kill 1/2 the power for a second or 2
or slam on the brakes at the speed traps, just to run a #/dial in !!
{again no offense meant to those that run it either, I know someone will be pissed}

Remember it's about filling the seats & the pits
making money for all involved, including the sanctioning bodies,
venders, sponsors & ultimately the car owners, track owners too,
not just filling the pits or seats, it's a business...

Not a very good practice to curtail to just one select group
or just 32-48 cars {if you include Pro-Mod} & 16 bikes a show/race,
like NHRA currently does...
People want to see a show, like it use to be, a spectacle & some showmanship...

IMO The lower classes & remote control cars are boring as hell,
{again no offense meant to anyone running them, but it's boring to watch, for everyone else anyway}
nobody except the people driving them, or their crew/families/friends
really care at all...
Maybe why the seats are always empty watching pros in the pits instead !!
IMO the average spectators don't pay to see them cars run,
they pay to see the fast cars, cars that wheelie, cars with names,
cars that make a ton of smoke & noise, IMO mostly heads up classes too,
run what you brung & see who's fastest, that's drag racing as it's meant to be...

ya'll have a nice day now :thumbsup:
 
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Attendance at Maple Grove is always strong. Rained all weekend even into Sunday morning and the place was packed for eliminations this year. I think it depends on the area of the US too. Drag racing on TV is really thought to do, these guys still can't figure it out. I think lack of sponsors and big names are hurting it. I've always been a ProStock fan. Only thing better to replace it would be ProMod.
 
Went to the NHRA Hot Rod Reunion in Bakersfield.....not again.....was very disappointed that the real nostalgia cars were running in an "Exhibition" class. What the hell is with that. Sure its nice to see a car break 200 mph, but it is more realistic to see 2 cars race for the finish line at 100 mph. Guys came from a long ways away just to make 3 runs all week-end. Talked to a few SLOW cars and they were pissed.....I know of one racer who does not race NHRA anymore because of the way it is being run.
 
71 style rules, with new Challengers, Mustangs, and Camaros[new corporate motors]. No power adders.
 
It's been a long time since NHRA has had any interest in the "little guy" racer. If you have multiple million $ for your team, OK. For the rest of us poor schmucks, forget it.
 
I have a neighbor that lives a few blocks away that runs Top Alcohol Dragster and has a annual budget of 5-7 million bucks.He is considered a ''little guy'' sportsman racer.........Another just paid $30,000 for a 340 in G/SA class.Another "little guy" in the NHRA.
 
I don't see them doing any of that stuff...

As a life long racer,
NHRA Comp lic. holder 9.99 or better since 1977
been drag racing since 1974-1975, been at best 5.90's @ 227
Ran a bunch of Heads Up door slammer 6, 7 & 8 sec. stuff
or Comp. Classes/Index classes altereds & dragsters,
in some sort of all out tube chassis real racecars,
some with doors & some without doors,
or some day 2 street beater/muscle car etc., been there done that...

a what IF scenario, dreaming ????
I'd like to see them get rid of T/F all together
Maybe bring back Fuel Altered,
have/bring some showmanship back in drag racing
CH3N02/Nitro classes are for big buck operations, rich dudes, big $$ sponsors
unless they go back to;
431ci max, less %'s of Nitro, single fuel pump & mags/plugs etc.,
2 disc clutches, no clutch management systems/drivers assistance etc.,
6:71 blowers, limit the boost/overdrive etc.,
less wing/down-force, a spec-tire etc.,
so the common guy could compete again,
without having a multi-million $$$ sponsorship, a privateer can compete !!
or Maybe have the T/A classes be the top show, let them loose,
let them make as much power as possible !!
Pro-Mod & Top-Sportsman be the top door slammers {my pers. favorites}
than maybe have a Stock body class of some sort, to replace Pro-Stock
with a 5 year body style limits, factory bodies, not swoopy stuff &
carbon fiber, no $10k per shock/electronic shocks pricey BS...
With everyone running a 0.4 pro-tree, make it simple...

IMO the best of any class is & always be Comp eliminator class,
weight per/ci & specific rules for all engines, cars/classes,
suspensions, tires, windows, cages/bars, body alterations etc.

Super Stock & Stock Elim.
are both cubic $$$$ classes now big $$$ cars & operations
to buy & to operate, it's not 1968 anymore,
it's well over $150k-$200k or more, to get in it today,
it's no longer the little guy privateers, unless they've
owned the car for decades already doing it & spent the $$$ over decades...

I really liked the ol' Pro-Gas 8.50 door-slammers class,
it had a bunch of low buck operations &/or privateers
{for the times is was a bit pricey to, build a car & actually run
8.50's in the late 70's early 80's
},
before it turned to Top-Sportsman, than evolved into Pro-Mod we have now...

Disclaimer;
what I type next is not meant to offend/insult anyone,
it's brutal honesty/facts & truth, please don't take what I say out of context...


IMO the Super classes, 10.90 S/ST, 9.90 S/G, 8.90 S/C
{S/E 7.90 back in the day, we had rarely any electronics for driver aids}
is throttle stop electronic gadget central, boring as hell to see/watch as a spectator,
Boring to watch some guy launch & kill 1/2 the power for a second or 2
or slam on the brakes at the speed traps, just to run a #/dial in !!
{again no offense meant to those that run it either, I know someone will be pissed}

Remember it's about filling the seats & the pits
making money for all involved, including the sanctioning bodies,
venders, sponsors & ultimately the car owners, track owners too,
not just filling the pits or seats, it's a business...

Not a very good practice to curtail to just one select group
or just 32-48 cars {if you include Pro-Mod} & 16 bikes a show/race,
like NHRA currently does...
People want to see a show, like it use to be, a spectacle & some showmanship...

IMO The lower classes & remote control cars are boring as hell,
{again no offense meant to anyone running them, but it's boring to watch, for everyone else anyway}
nobody except the people driving them, or their crew/families/friends
really care at all...
Maybe why the seats are always empty watching pros in the pits instead !!
IMO the average spectators don't pay to see them cars run,
they pay to see the fast cars, cars that wheelie, cars with names,
cars that make a ton of smoke & noise, IMO mostly heads up classes too,
run what you brung & see who's fastest, that's drag racing as it's meant to be...

ya'll have a nice day now :thumbsup:

Very interesting commentary. I sure can't disagree with most of it. I'm an old school bracket racer that always at the bottom of the line, but won my fair share. But we as a group were pretty darn competitive. As I recall the "class racers" were not overly competitive in the bracket wars.
 
My opinion is that NHRA should have Nostalgia Super Stock classes. They would have more cars and more spectators, and not only I would sell more fiberglass for these cars, but there would be more companies selling parts for these cars.
 
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