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Would Two Chebby's equal One Dodge?

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Just a bit of trivia I found interesting. In March, I had the opportunity to visit the Pima Air and Space Museum in Tuscon, Az. Wonderful place, especially if you like aircraft/airplanes. As I was looking at the Lockheed "Blackbird" static display, I couldn't help but notice the "start-cart". (I'm sure all Air Force men are familiar with these.) It was a large metal cage on wheels that had not one, but two Chevy LS-7's in tandem to start the plane's large P&W engines. These BB's had large 4-bbls and tubing headers and probably more. Impressive for the "GM guys. Looking at them, I couldn't help but wonder if one Dodge 426 Hemi could have done the same job for less space.
 
You should have looked me up while in Tucson. I like to meet fbbo people.
 
As much as the 426 Hemi has achieved mythical status, its not that good. Considering that a LS-6 454 was rated around 450 hp / 500 ft lbs and the 426 Hemi was 425 hp / 490 ft lbs, one Hemi probably would not suffice. Additionally, the LS-7 454, which I believe was offered as a "off-road only" crate engine in '71, was rated at 465 hp. Now these are gross hp ratings, which are useful when talking a starting cart for a SR-71 Blackbird.
 
That would be a terrible waste of a fine motor. That job is best relegated to a Chevy.
 
Would not a single good diesel not provide the necessary torque? While being more reliable with less maintence.
 
Would not a single good diesel not provide the necessary torque? While being more reliable with less maintence.

you are correct.
maybe a cost thing?
 
A good 505 IH or 466 Deere from a salvage yard cost less than those 2 Chebbys.
A 466 IH even less
If a 7.3 Navistar or 5.9 Cummins would suffice it would cost lesseven less yet.
 
Funny, some have passion over facts. Okay, I quoted street engines, WileERobby, you provided no rebuttal. 68sprtsat383 disagreed, so state what you disagreed with. The OP merely stated a single 426 Hemi might replace TWO 454s. If you think its possible for a single venerable 426 to do so, state why!

My reply is not a dis on the Hemi. Maybe there was a reason it wasn’t chosen for that role.
 
As much as the 426 Hemi has achieved mythical status, its not that good. Considering that a LS-6 454 was rated around 450 hp / 500 ft lbs and the 426 Hemi was 425 hp / 490 ft lbs, one Hemi probably would not suffice. Additionally, the LS-7 454, which I believe was offered as a "off-road only" crate engine in '71, was rated at 465 hp. Now these are gross hp ratings, which are useful when talking a starting cart for a SR-71 Blackbird.
Everyone knows that Chrysler de ranked the street hemis h.p. for nhra class rules. They were closer to 525 .
 
I was just disagreeing with them having just having 425hp.I know when my dad had his old Hemi GTX he never come close to losing to a chebby.
 
The reason is simple, Chebs are a dime a dozen and therefore the military could get a 2 for 1 deal, lol!
 
don't get what I'm about to post wrong
I love Mopar & the Hemi's

BUT;
I think both engines were underrated to be lower
{partially for insurance reasons}
426ci street hemi 425hp at like edited 5000 rpm & 490# at 4000 rpm too
the LS7 454 was rated at 465hp at like 5200-5300 max rpm
{remember 454 has a 4" stroke vs 426 Hemi's 3.75" stroke, both started with a 4.25" bore}
either engine with the proper valve-springs
can/will rev far past them #'s
makes far more hp than advertised,
a stock 426ci Hemi in street trim, edited (1970) has a hydraulic camshaft,
less than 0.500" gross valve lift {more IIRC like @ 0.050" 268*/0.484" gross valve lift}
{both the 454 LS6 & LS7 had far more gross valve lift/bigger camshaft
the BBC's 396-454's & the LS6/LS7 higher rocker ratios 1.7:1 too
}
the hemi heads/ports designs are much better suited
for a much higher rpm range, but it's not the race hemi,
if a race hemi, could make more closer to 500hp
but it had a solid lifter camshaft, more lift & much better valve springs
{IIRC in stock OOTB form, in the 264*/269* @ 0.050" & 0.560"in/0.580" ex ranges}
& a cross-ram race 2x4bbl Holley carb induction,
not the inline 426ci 2x4bbls Carters like the street hemi versions had
SH maxed out at about "real hp" rating of 450-475hp depending on altitude,
where tested/before they fell off drastically or valve floated more likely,
not far/before or after 6000 rpm
the LS7 Rectangular port heads will easily take that engine
well over 7000rpm, they had more rocker ratio 1.7:1 & more lift too
even with or if it had a hydraulic valve-train, valves clanking away
BUT;
a real LS7 was a solid lifter camshaft engine, it was intended for off road use,
a crate engine {so to speak} & it's not really a street engine
they never were in street cars,
they made real HP somewhere in the 500-510hp range @ near 7000rpm
in stock out of the crate form,
the lower #'s were rating for NHRA, they are always low,
{even for race or street hemi's too}
the LS6 450hp street version was much like the street hemi rating
but with a hydraulic camshaft/less gross valve lift & lesser valve springs
so it didn't/couldn't rev as high to make the big #'s
like the solid lifter 454 LS7 race engines, they were/are real torque monsters
{the BBC 454 has a 4" stroke vs the Mopar Hemi 3.75", which makes for huge torque #'s}

just the fact mam, just the facts

I've had a bunch of both engines, I can attest to it, for both of them...

Don't believe the hype on either side...
 
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don't get what I'm about to post wrong
I love Mopar & the Hemi's

BUT;
I think both engines were underrated to be lower
{partially for insurance reasons}
426ci street hemi 425hp at like 5500-5600 max rpm too
the LS7 454 was rated at 465hp at like 5200-5300 max rpm
{remember 454 has a 4" stroke vs 426 Hemi's 3.75" stroke, both started with a 4.25" bore}
either engine with the proper valve-springs
can/will rev far past them #'s
makes far more hp than advertised,
a stock 426ci Hemi in street trim, has a hydraulic camshaft,
the hemi heads/ports designs are much better suited
for a much higher rpm range, but it's not the race hemi,
it a race hemi, could make more closer to 500hp
but it had a solid lifter camshaft & much better valve springs
& a cross-ram race Holley carb induction,
not the inline 426ci 2x4bbls Carters like the street hemi versions had
SH maxed out at about "real hp" rating of 450-475hp depending on altitude,
before they fell off drastically or valve floated more likely,
not far/before or after 6000 rpm
the LS7 Rectangular port heads will easily take that engine
well over 7000rpm, even with or if it had a hydraulic valve-train
BUT;
LS7 was a solid lifter engine, it was intended for off road use,
a crate engine & not a street engine
they never were in street cars,
they made somewhere in the 500-510hp range @ near 7000rpm
in stock out of the crate form,
the lower #'s were rating for NHRA, they are always low,
{even for race or street hemi's too}
the LS6 450hp street version was much like the street hemi rating
but with a hydraulic camshaft & lesser valve springs
so it didn't/couldn't rev as high to make the big #'s
like the solid lifter 454 LS7 race engines, they were torque monsters
{the BBC 454 has a 4" stroke vs the Mopar Hemi 3.75", which makes for huge torque #'s}

just the fact mam, just the facts

I've had a bunch of both engines, I can attest to it, for both of them...

Don't believe the hype on either side...


I didn`t read all the last post "gotta go'', BUT A 68 STREET HEMI DID NOT HAVE HYD. LIFTERS. THINK THEY STARTED THAT IN 70> NOT SURE. All the older ones had solid lifters!
 
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