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What is your opinion on VIN swaps?

VIN swap? If it wasn't for VIN swapping? I don't believe I have ever owned an actual classic Mopar? Besides, it paid for my masters in ethics!
 
Cojohnso1 said:
VIN swap? If it wasn't for VIN swapping? I don't believe I have ever owned an actual classic Mopar? Besides, it paid for my masters in ethics!
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True this. Follow the rules and you've
nothing to worry about. Some have paid for
their masters in ethics the hard way.
Too many try to circumvent the system,
failing to realize it's been placed for THEIR
protection.
I got a call from the local LEO about two
front fenders found on a stolen Mustang.
They were the fenders off a car that was
stolen from my driveway two years prior.
The funny part was, they wanted to know
if I wanted them back.
 
1STMP said:
I'm jumping in.....
ANY Vin tampering with an attempt to
defraud is a felony. States have procedures
in place when dealing with frame/body
swaps and major drive train components.
It's also illegal to.dispose of or sell any
vehicle or major body, or engine/trans
components where there is no Vin.
(where there should be one).
(I don't know how this would apply to a
warranty 440 block where no serial was
applied).
Even Boyd Coddington wasn't exempt for
being found guilty of Vin swapping. And
the majority of his builds are comprised
of vehicles 80+ years old.
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Is this the same Boyd Coddington that had a show?
 
I think there was a story about a shop that did Eleanor mustangs, they got in trouble for title swapping or registering or something like that.
 
Title-washing, an illegal practice where VIN numbers are altered in order to conceal the car’s origin or classification as a salvaged vehicle.
 
On Nov. 5, police confiscated all 61 cars from the company and are currently in the process of investigating how the cars were obtained. At press time, no arrests have been made at this point, according to police.

:popcorn:
 
I'm working on a project that involves a
custom built tube frame, Plymouth, Dodge,
and Ford body parts, a warranty engine
(no stampings), I'm fixing to dive into the
nightmare of registering. The most
convenient would be to register as a
speciality built vehicle, and I'm hoping
DMV agrees. I've got a mountain of
paperwork of everything purchased to
build it, including hundreds of build pics.
It would be devastating to discover just
one part was reported as stolen. They
would have no qualms of crushing 26
years of building a dream.
 
1STMP said:
I'm working on a project that involves a
custom built tube frame, Plymouth, Dodge,
and Ford body parts, a warranty engine
(no stampings), I'm fixing to dive into the
nightmare of registering. The most
convenient would be to register as a
speciality built vehicle, and I'm hoping
DMV agrees. I've got a mountain of
paperwork of everything purchased to
build it, including hundreds of build pics.
It would be devastating to discover just
one part was reported as stolen. They
would have no qualms of crushing 26
years of building a dream.
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:xscuseless:
 
Kern Dog said:
Even my Jigsaw Charger has had extensive repair. I replaced the entire front structure....
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this question isn't actually directed at you, but jigsaw is a good example for discussion

Jigsaw had no real rust issues, but.........

if "Jigsaw" came from another part of the country with a clean title, a little rusty, and damaged up front as it was; and you repair the front, as it is......
then you decide to do some floor and trunk pan repair, cause it's a "little rusty"; but it explodes into the common "can of worms"; so you do full pans, quarters and wheeelhouses too........ oh, and a dutchman panel...... you know, "because you want to do it right"

and you scored a pair of nicer doors and deck lid on c/l in the meantime and bolt them on.............at what point are you breaking the law? see how silly it gets?

anything stolen? didn't think so.... have a nice day
 
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I've posted these here a few times, but I'm
really close to gettin' this done. It's been
a journey, but one I've vowed to complete.
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eldubb440 said:
this question isn't actually directed at you, but jigsaw is a good example for discussion

Jigsaw had no real rust issues, but.........

if "Jigsaw" came from another part of the country with a clean title, a little rusty, and damaged up front as it was; and you repair the front, as it is......
then you decide to do some floor and trunk pan repair, cause it's a "little rusty"; but it explodes into the common "can of worms"; so you do full pans, quarters and wheeelhouses too........ oh, and a dutchman panel...... you know, "because you want to do it right"

and you scored a pair of nicer doors and deck lid on c/l in the meantime and bolt them on.............at what point are you breaking the law? see how silly it gets?

anything stolen? didn't think so.... have a nice day
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Documentation is key. DMV relies on what
was purchased by whom, and where,
with bills of sale, title transfers, and builder
affidavits. (cross your heart stuff, subject
to purjery charges). With any and all
receipts so they can collect their (fair) share
of taxes.
 
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if i had to furnish DMV with receipts for every shitty 50 year old part i pull out of a pile, and had to beat on make fit; I'd quit the hobby......if they think something is stolen, the burden of proof is on them
 
eldubb440 said:
I'd register it as whatever that bad *** truck body is......
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Thanks.
It started out as a 1940 Plymouth pickup
and has evolved greatly from that starting
point. The reason DMV wants all those
receipts is mainly for tax purposes. For
example; I paid cash for a set of rear
fenders.....the state is (entitled) to the
taxes of that sale. It ain't right, but that's
the way things are.
Break their set of rules, take your chances.
 
eldubb440 said:
if i had to furnish DMV with receipts for every shitty 50 year old part i pull out of a pile, and had to beat on make fit; I'd quit the hobby......if they think something is stolen, the burden of proof is on them
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Not disagreeing with you.
I'm asking that this post not dive into the
political aspects on the subject of vin
swapping. I find it a very worthwhile
discussion, and would like to see this
carried on.
I've a lot of unanswered questions on
this subject, as probably do you.
Let the expertise flow.....
 
Mopar Hunter said:
Here’s David Freiburger take on VIN swapping.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mo...-swapping-recreating-wrecked-road-runner/amp/
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Exactly what I'm faced with. Thanks for the
link.
Though I've not done any vin swapping, I do
have a situation where the serial number
tag was stolen from my truck cab during
transport. I reported the theft to local LEO'S
and they more or less confirmed that there
was nothing they could do except record
the serial number. If anyone tries to use
that number, hopefully it shows up as
stolen. In the meantime, I purchased
a legit cab on a bill of sale. It's a Dodge,
not a Plymouth, but they're identical.
Due to the chassis, I'm hoping this truck
will be registered as a specialty built
vehicle as it's comprised or Plymouth
Dodge, Ford, Jeep, and custom parts.
I have every single receipt (soup to nuts)
of all parts and hardware.
 
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