Loud and scary noises coming from my 440...

['67Satellite]

Why are you hearing the starter when you turn it over by hand?

Used the starter motor to turn the engine over faster than i can by hand. We were trying to see if we could here the sound without the motor running and couldn't sping it fast enough by hand. I also have spun it with a breaker bar, and it spins freely.

 

[krowbar]

Used the starter motor to turn the engine over faster than i can by hand. We were trying to see if we could here the sound without the motor running and couldn't sping it fast enough by hand. I also have spun it with a breaker bar, and it spins freely.

Can you do it like that with the trans bolted up?

 

['67Satellite]

Can you do it like that with the trans bolted up?

Yes, i did all that a few days ago before i pulled the trans.

 

[69a100]

But it seems like there's ample fluid in it. I guess i should probably be around 8.5 quarts with my 11 inch converter and a deep trans pan, i have pretty close to that drained out of it.

The FSM calls for 19.5 pints which is 9.75 quarts in stock configuration. You say your running a deep pan, HOW deep is deep? Being low on fluid [which I'm sure you are] would cause it to slip in gear and not sound anything like that. Is the oil slinger installed backwards or is it tweeked? Almost sounds like a really bad vacuum leak. After watching video again, why is the hose disconnected from your brake booster and is that hose plugged? Good Luck

 

[Meep-Meep]

Since we are all throwing every idea at this (including the kitchen sink) I have something you might check. So far we know the engine and tranny were running fine in another car so I must ask if you changed the fuel pump in this swapping over process. The front fuel pump bolt is lined up with the timing chain and is it possible that someone put too long of a bolt in there and the bolt is rubbing on the chain? Again, just throwing stuff out.

 

['67Satellite]

The FSM calls for 19.5 pints which is 9.75 quarts in stock configuration. You say your running a deep pan, HOW deep is deep? Being low on fluid [which I'm sure you are] would cause it to slip in gear and not sound anything like that. Is the oil slinger installed backwards or is it tweeked? Almost sounds like a really bad vacuum leak. After watching video again, why is the hose disconnected from your brake booster and is that hose plugged? Good Luck

Well it was low. I drained about 5 quarts from the pan and another quart or two from the torque converter. As i said before, i havent been able to check it properly.

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Since we are all throwing every idea at this (including the kitchen sink) I have something you might check. So far we know the engine and tranny were running fine in another car so I must ask if you changed the fuel pump in this swapping over process. The front fuel pump bolt is lined up with the timing chain and is it possible that someone put too long of a bolt in there and the bolt is rubbing on the chain? Again, just throwing stuff out.

Well Meep. Its the same fuel pump that was there before. And i ran the car without the fuel pump installed. So i guess thats not it. I still want to check the cam gear/block clearence. Could the cam have moved back?

 

[super-bee_ski]

Will,
I'll stop over soon. I'll bring "John" w/ me. (owns the red 68 427 Merc Cougar)

 

['67Satellite]

Will,
I'll stop over soon. I'll bring "John" w/ me. (owns the red 68 427 Merc Cougar)

Swing by whenever Mark. Remember im on base now. Do you still have my number? PM me yours.

 

[Meep-Meep]

Well it was low. I drained about 5 quarts from the pan and another quart or two from the torque converter. As i said before, i havent been able to check it properly.

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Well Meep. Its the same fuel pump that was there before. And i ran the car without the fuel pump installed. So i guess thats not it. I still want to check the cam gear/block clearence. Could the cam have moved back?

Not likely unless there was pressure on it from the front due to a thrust button on a roller cam for instance.

 

[Meep-Meep]

This noise sounds external. What did you change from when it was running quiet till now? You had to have done something. Of course you changed the car but how would that matter? It's like a rotating component is machining a groove into something.

 

['67Satellite]

This noise sounds external. What did you change from when it was running quiet till now? You had to have done something. Of course you changed the car but how would that matter? It's like a rotating component is machining a groove into something.

Meep, i don't know. I've dug through my brain a few times trying to come up with something that was removed, replaced, or re-installed improperly. And i can't come up with anything. I'm sure i'll be pulling the motor shortly and taking a look inside. Until then I'm kind of at a dead end on this one.

Not sure when i'll be able to secure an engine hoist. But when i do, i'll get her pulled apart pretty quickly. At this point, i don't really care what it is. I just want to find it and replace it so i can sleep at night.

 

[dryheat]

Check out craigslist for an engine hoist ... you should be able to pick one up for $125 ish and then sell it when you are done for the same amount. That's what I do ... it's better than renting one.

 

[BeastlyBirdie]

Dumb question, and as much as you have gone through, the transmission has an extension on the pickup, right? Also, spin the torque converter's guts, off the transmission, listen. Doubt either of these would be it, but....

 

['67Satellite]

Dumb question, and as much as you have gone through, the transmission has an extension on the pickup, right? Also, spin the torque converter's guts, off the transmission, listen. Doubt either of these would be it, but....

Yea i have the Mopar Performance pickup extension installed.

As far as the torque converter goes. I'm not sure what to look for really. The "rotor" you might call it, inside spins freely. It has some play or wiggle room inside the converter. And the splines look to be in good shape. If there is something wrong with it, i'm missing it.

 

[Gpuller]

I've done the wrong converter (newer) on and older trans with smaller input shaft before. There was no noise, the car just didnt move. After I pulled the trans out, the input shaft looked fine, wasn't chewed up.

 

['67Satellite]

Well gang, as you can see, i pulled the motor. Yanked the pan off, and the only surprise i found was a windage tray... The only damage to it was from spinning a rod in the last motor is was in (see picture).

I guess ill pull off the main caps and take a look. Maybe tomorrow.

 

[Meep-Meep]

Sure is a lot of muck in the pan. Turn the crank over by hand and look at everything as you do. See if you can move the crank back and forth just a little. Also the rods should slide back and forth easily in the thrust direction. But again, it came out of another car running quiet, so......

As a side note I do see a cast crank and pistons so make sure you have the proper damper and converter. If something was mismatched you would have a serious vibration so pretty easy to figure out there is a problem.

 

[bigmanjbmopar]

I bet you it's the oil slinger hitting the chain. On these pics I don't' see the timing cover removed.

 

[440beep]

Are the timing chain mounting bolts rubbing the inside of the timing cover?

 

[fmontez1]

OP sounds pretty sure it's not the timing cover, but methinks it needs to come off at this point. What do I know though, I'm a doofus when it comes to this stuff, this one has been a real page turner though. This has been me the whole time (Without the little boy stuff)