360 oil pan?

[icetech]

No those are Howard's rollers. Came with the cam.

So when I put it in. I lubed the hell out of it an pushed it in as far as I could. Your saying it's highly possible that it's too far back in the journal. Is there anything that is supposed to be put on the back of it to keep it in line perfectly. Or does the oiling gear keep it pressed against the thrust plate. Because looking at the pictures it seems like moving it back towards the front would solve my issue

no.. there is a thrust plate that goes on the front of the cam that keeps it from going forward and the timing gear won't allow it to go backward.. if you don't have those on just move the cam to where the front journal lines up with the front of the block and the lobes should line up then

 

[bm73charger]

no.. there is a thrust plate that goes on the front of the cam that keeps it from going forward and the timing gear won't allow it to go backward.. if you don't have those on just move the cam to where the front journal lines up with the front of the block and the lobes should line up then

Okay so in order. Cam in. Thrust plate on loose. Then align cam with journals. Then tighten down thrust plate. Timing chain and gears on top of thrust plate. And tighten. Then distributer/oil pump gear?

 

[RemCharger]

Cam in. Tighten thrust plate. Install cam sprocket making sure it's fully seated to the cam. Check cam thrust play vs spec. Check that lobes are aligned.

 

[bm73charger]

Cam in. Tighten thrust plate. Install cam sprocket making sure it's fully seated to the cam. Check cam thrust play vs spec. Check that lobes are aligned.

So what keeps it from pushing too far back in the engine? The oil pump gear? Because when I pushed it in I pushed it until it stopped. Which is where I'm at now.

 

[Cranky]

Not even joking.. transmission is easier once you do one... take it apart and check/replace stuff that's worn out.. put back together and check endplay/adjustments... I did my first one with just a exploded view... the book i have now is all step by step directions

My first one was in the 70's and is the only one I've ever done. My girlfriend's dad helped me with it and it was fine from the get go. Hard to believe that I've never had a failure because of the way I drive or used to drive. That first one ended up needing a new case because of a crack in the old one.

 

[RemCharger]

So what keeps it from pushing too far back in the engine? The oil pump gear? Because when I pushed it in I pushed it until it stopped. Which is where I'm at now.

The thrust plate locks it from going forward, the cam sprocket locks from going rearward. The cam floats there, and has a certain amount of play. According to spec

 

[bm73charger]

The thrust plate locks it from going forward, the cam sprocket locks from going rearward. The cam floats there, and has a certain amount of play. According to spec

Okay. So I moved the cam further. And wow. It moved alot. Am I missing something though. Because I don't see how the cam will be kept from moving back. Unless it's from the oil drive gear. Does this mean that I need the eccentric even if I'm using a electric fuel pump. To keep the cam forward?

 

[bm73charger]

Okay. So I moved the cam further. And wow. It moved alot. Am I missing something though. Because I don't see how the cam will be kept from moving back. Unless it's from the oil drive gear. Does this mean that I need the eccentric even if I'm using a electric fuel pump. To keep the cam forward?

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[icetech]

Okay. So I moved the cam further. And wow. It moved alot. Am I missing something though. Because I don't see how the cam will be kept from moving back. Unless it's from the oil drive gear. Does this mean that I need the eccentric even if I'm using a electric fuel pump. To keep the cam forward?

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Put the eccentric and there is a upside down cup that goes on also... just so the bolts sits properly and all that

 

[bm73charger]

Put the eccentric and there is a upside down cup that goes on also... just so the bolts sits properly and all that

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This is what I have so far. I was trying not to use the eccentric it I was going to use an electronic fuel pump. But I'm assuming I need the eccentric anyways. It's what keeps the cam aligned somewhat. Is that correct?

 

[RemCharger]

Okay. So I moved the cam further. And wow. It moved alot. Am I missing something though. Because I don't see how the cam will be kept from moving back. Unless it's from the oil drive gear. Does this mean that I need the eccentric even if I'm using a electric fuel pump. To keep the cam forward?

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Lol yes, how is that going to hold the cam gear on at all?

And forget about the oil pump drive theory.

 

[icetech]

This is what I have so far. I was trying not to use the eccentric it I was going to use an electronic fuel pump. But I'm assuming I need the eccentric anyways. It's what keeps the cam aligned somewhat. Is that correct?

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No.. there is a key in the end of the cam (at least there should be) that the gear slides onto, that is what keeps the gear in place with the cam.. the eccentric can probably be left off.. i'm just **** about that stuff and trust it more with whats supposed to be there.. the upside down cup is to take up that gap where the end of the cam sticks out past the gear.

 

[bm73charger]

No.. there is a key in the end of the cam (at least there should be) that the gear slides onto, that is what keeps the gear in place with the cam.. the eccentric can probably be left off.. i'm just **** about that stuff and trust it more with whats supposed to be there.. the upside down cup is to take up that gap where the end of the cam sticks out past the gear.

Ahhh okay so that cup is what holds the cam againsed the thrust plate and the timing gear on correct? @RemCharger @icetech

 

[RemCharger]

Well this is where it gets weird with the Magnum vs LA cams.. some don't have the step for the eccentric..but I would use the eccentric if the cam is made for it.
AFAIK... I do big blocks and haven't messed much with the Mag/LA

 

[icetech]

Ahhh okay so that cup is what holds the cam againsed the thrust plate and the timing gear on correct? @RemCharger @icetech

close enough

 

[bm73charger]

THANK YOU. so much. Both @RemCharger and @icetech . You guys are lifesavers. I appreciate the answers. And sorry if I'm a little repetitive with the dumb questions. Hahah. It's my first engine build. So there's a bit of a learning curve.

 

[icetech]

THANK YOU. so much. Both @RemCharger and @icetech . You guys are lifesavers. I appreciate the answers. And sorry if I'm a little repetitive with the dumb questions. Hahah. It's my first engine build. So there's a bit of a learning curve.

It's ok.. it's how we learn stuff.... you REALLY should get a "how to build small block mopars" book though.. they help a ton

 

[RemCharger]

Ahhh okay so that cup is what holds the cam againsed the thrust plate and the timing gear on correct? @RemCharger @icetech

close enough

I would use the factory cup washer and eccentric, if it was an LA style cam. But if it's a Magnum cam without eccentric mount, use whatever bolt / washer combo that came with it.
I'm assuming it's LA style by the distance sticking out past the cam gear

 

[bm73charger]

It's ok.. it's how we learn stuff.... you REALLY should get a "how to build small block mopars" book though.. they help a ton

I have been using one. It's helpful. But they go into rebuilding like factory settings. Jot customization so I differ slightly.

 

[bm73charger]

I would use the factory cup washer and eccentric, if it was an LA style cam. But if it's a Magnum cam without eccentric mount, use whatever bolt / washer combo that came with it.
I'm assuming it's LA style by the distance sticking out past the cam gear

https://www.jegs.com/i/COMP-Cams/249/241/10002/-1

So I just ordered this. It is an la block with factory roller cam. The cam is for an la. It didn't come with the little half moon key or woodruff key. Whatever you call it. Or a bolt or eccentric. Or any cup washer. So that kit should be exactly what I need if I'm interpreting correctly.