Glock model 22 Gen 4

[Bruzilla]

I have been around and owned guns since I was 16 and I will never, ever, own a Glock. Glocks are very popular for one reason... they are cheap. They cost half of what a good Sig or Beretta costs, so lots of police departments bought a ton of them, which drove the prices down, which drove the civilian market.

Glocks are inherently dangerous due to their light trigger pull and trigger safety. Once your finger is on the trigger, it's just too easy to fire the pistol. I know... the Glock supporters are rushing to their keyboards right now to type "BUT YOU SHOULD NEVER PLACE YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO FIRE!!!!!", which is perfect advice when you are on the range but unrealistic when you are in a life-threatening real-world circumstance, which police officers are always in and lots of concealed carry and home defenders can find themselves in. When it's something besides a paper silhouette in front of you, you're going to place your finger on the trigger, and if you have a Glock you are likely to make a hole in something you didn't intend to, as that woman in Minneapolis learned this year. This is why Glock users have far and away the highest numbers of unintentional discharges of the bang variety.

The trigger pull weight on a Glock is just six pounds, whereas Sigs and Berettas are in the 10-11 pound range, which means you can put a LOT of pressure on that trigger without the gun firing, which is exactly what you want in a high-stress defensive situation where you're finger is on the trigger.

 

[Bruzilla]

Revolver.

Smith & Wesson Model 19!

 

[Cranky]

Revolver.

I have a couple of those too

 

[beanhead]

I have a couple of those too

Our motto is "No brass left behind!.."

 

[mmissile]

My daily carry. HK USP compact. 40caliber, big-dot/tritium front sight, Magna-Port, match trigger with spurred hammer.

 

[moparedtn]

The trigger pull weight on a Glock is just six pounds, whereas Sigs and Berettas are in the 10-11 pound range, which means you can put a LOT of pressure on that trigger without the gun firing, which is exactly what you want in a high-stress defensive situation where you're finger is on the trigger.

You're referring to the hammer-fired variety of those, of course.
I think your statement on lighter trigger pulls refers to most any striker-fired gun, including Sigs and such (my P320 has a 5.5 lb pull, for example) (my Walther PPQ, known as the "best trigger in the business" has an even lighter one than that).

There is a valid argument to be made about having a "heavy" trigger on a self-defense gun, of course, and many old school type folks absolutely hate anything striker fired.
I used to be one of them.
Not anymore - although I don't own Glocks because of the grip angle, I have fallen in love with modern striker-fired pistols. They just flat-out shoot better and as a general rule, carry easier too.

Having said all that, I have carried a S&W Model 29 (yes, Dirty Harrys' gun) and I'd kill to have another government issue 1911 - but man, have you seen the prices on THOSE lately?

 

[Dennis H]

10 pound trigger pull. When you want it to go bang, it does. Every time. Fits in pocket.
Not likely to have a negligent dishcharge or lose your toe or worse, right nut. Pocket carry.
When I go to the range with a friend who has a variety of pistols, we spend more time unjamming them than firing. Jam session. Wheel gun for me. I agree about the trigger above.
Like keeping it unloaded until needing to use it. Right. Don't know when that will be. Of no use when unloaded.

 

[Cranky]

My dad's business partner was killed because his pistol wasn't loaded. Some moron came in and took a knife to him IN his home. He made to the back bed room closet and was able to get it but pointing an unloaded gun at the perp didn't stop him. His daughter was my girlfriend at the time and she saw the whole thing go down. Every single gun I own stays loaded and they are also scattered throughout the house.

 

[Bruzilla]

You're referring to the hammer-fired variety of those, of course.
I think your statement on lighter trigger pulls refers to most any striker-fired gun, including Sigs and such (my P320 has a 5.5 lb pull, for example) (my Walther PPQ, known as the "best trigger in the business" has an even lighter one than that).

There is a valid argument to be made about having a "heavy" trigger on a self-defense gun, of course, and many old school type folks absolutely hate anything striker fired.
I used to be one of them.
Not anymore - although I don't own Glocks because of the grip angle, I have fallen in love with modern striker-fired pistols. They just flat-out shoot better and as a general rule, carry easier too.

Having said all that, I have carried a S&W Model 29 (yes, Dirty Harrys' gun) and I'd kill to have another government issue 1911 - but man, have you seen the prices on THOSE lately?

The pull weight on the Sig P320 is about 7.5 pounds, which is still not good for a self-defense pistol, IMHO, but still much better than the Glock's weight.

Yes, there are folks who say a light trigger is fine for a self-defense pistol, but few of them have ever been in a self-defense position as a civilian. You fire in the military, and pretty much anything goes. Cops have to be a bit more conservative, but not much. Civilians are held to the highest standard, and there's no such thing as an accidental shooting. Glocks make great range guns, and great military guns, but should be a no-go for cops and civies. The range hounds will all say "keep your booger picker off the trigger until...", but when you're in a situation where there's more than a sheet of paper to worry about, your instincts will put that finger on the trigger.

 

[Cranky]

Bru, have you ever been in a situation where you had to pull your weapon out.....and the situation defused because you pulled it? If so, did you have your finger on the trigger with pressure?

 

[MarPar]

Bru, have you ever been in a situation where you had to pull your weapon out.....and the situation defused because you pulled it? If so, did you have your finger on the trigger with pressure?

 

[moparedtn]

The pull weight on the Sig P320 is about 7.5 pounds, which is still not good for a self-defense pistol, IMHO, but still much better than the Glock's weight.

I'm aware of what they have out the box.
Again, my P320 has a 5.5 lb pull, along with a couple other mods.
I've only known "light" triggers in handguns my entire life pretty much, so much so that on the odd occasion I try to shoot anything double action or otherwise "heavy", I have a hard time with it.
I'd have to train for quite some time to overcome that, I'd imagine.

I understand (and even agree somewhat) with what you're saying about the conventional wisdom about carry guns and the average citizen who carries them.
I'm not one of those - and I don't presume to know what's best for anyone else other than myself.

 

[1967coronet440]

I like my little Kimber .380 I can carry it in my pocket.