More bad news at Tesla motors...

[ws23jrt]

We have surpassed the 400 ppm CO in our atmosphere.

So ---is that bad??----Would 2000PPM be something that would choke people in the streets?
Not according to "science" and: physics". --The bounty of crops would increase dramatically. (according to "science").

 

[Budnicks]

You're right a bit off topic. I don't think it's a surprise Musk's ego is finally catching up to him. What the hell was that launching one of his car in orbit? That's just too stupid.

that we can agree on

 

[ws23jrt]

Whether or not the US Navy closes down that port, the level of flooding is mostly due to the land sinking in that area, which it has been doing at a rate over three times greater than the rise of ocean levels.

Who will get on the bandwagon of blaming humans for our worldwide --subduction-- of land plague?
Not to worry-as mountains get high --gravity will push them back down and the land on the coast will rise again.

 

[ws23jrt]

When I think about discussions about "science" this is an example -of what I have come to know about -and appreciate. - When political discussions are used to cherry-pick stuff from scientific studies- that can feed an agenda. ---It tends to get kinda creepy-----the ways of gathering votes.

For those that have closed the door to learning, I would expect their eyes to glaze over when attempting to see this through.

 

[Kern Dog]

A smart guy wrote:
Environmental Engineer here. We are sitting on top of newly found oil reserves which are massive, combined with our past reserves is enough to last the US for one hundred years or more.

Fuel economy standards are inching up.

Emissions from those nasty internal combustion engines are essentially minute due to cleaner fuels, fuel injection, catalytic converters, and engine improvements.

Emissions from refineries (as are coal fired power plants) have been ratcheted down to levels unseen in the industrial age....essentially below the point where there is no impact on the environment.

What? No mention of our very clean vast natural gas reserves? Reserves that are easier and cleaner to produce and utilize? Trillions of cubic feet right under our feet. Our fleet used to be natural gas powered and ran fine......

To summarize, given the vast amounts of nat gas/oil and the minute emissions from the combustion of said fuels, the idiots pushing electric cars all have an agenda..mainly the almighty DOLLAR, although we do get some of the ignorant tree huggers protesting here at our offices. They arrive in SUV's and Planes, and come here to protest the use of fossil fuels???? I suggested to a few one time that oil is cheap, along with soap, razors and deodorant as most of them can't carry an intelligent conversation, much less practice a little personal hygiene.

Climate change? Maybe. Man-Made climate change? NO WAY. It is all a ruse to make money and push agendas, even to favor certain industries. Remember the tax money debacles under Barry?

Even some people who drive these so called 'clean' electric cars don't even realize that the electrons coming from their wall outlet are generated by the combustion of a fossil fuel. Yes I am biased because I see the entire picture.....it is all about the money....ask Gore.

Reposted because it makes a lot of sense.

 

[Photon440]

So ---is that bad??----Would 2000PPM be something that would choke people in the streets?
Not according to "science" and: physics". --The bounty of crops would increase dramatically. (according to "science").

Well we already know that CO2 enrichment would be hugely beneficial to plants. That's been proven long ago. There are greenhouses around here with gigantic CO2 tanks on the property to add to the growing air.

 

[Cojohnso1]

Well we already know that CO2 enrichment would be hugely beneficial to plants. That's been proven long ago. There are greenhouses around here with gigantic CO2 tanks on the property to add to the growing air.

But WE ARE NOT PLANTS! Yes, the earth will go on. But I'm not sure she wants us?

 

[Hemirunner]

Oh yeah Bud. Your post isn't condensing or fact less? The climate change we are experiencing doesn't care what I or Bud thinks. And it's accelerating. Every new updated status and model suggests it's worse than first reported. The scientific concensus is scary. And these are people who historically fights among themselves. But no worries. What do they know? We have BUD! (Sorry, but you have no data to confirm anything you posted.) I can post data from a dozen atmospheric, oceanic, geographic and climate science models. All saying the same thing.

There’s no need to worry about global climate change as a concern. Our societal decay of morality, responsibility and integrity combined with a blatently ridiculous conspiratorial push to unite the world in the liberal utopia of socialism will cause the destruction of the world as we know it far before the environment is an issue.

 

[Cojohnso1]

There’s no need to worry about global climate change as a concern. Our societal decay of morality, responsibility and integrity combined with a blatently ridiculous conspiratorial push to unite the world in the liberal utopia of socialism will cause the destruction of the world as we know it far before the environment is an issue.

Wow. Aren't we the chipper one? So are only choice is lying **** star paying stink. Or hippie lefty socialist communes? I'm betting there is a whole lot of middle ground.

 

[Dennis H]

Wow. Aren't we the chipper one? So are only choice is lying **** star paying stink. Or hippie lefty socialist communes? I'm betting there is a whole lot of middle ground.

Not if you consider your wallet.

 

[ws23jrt]

Wow. Aren't we the chipper one? So are only choice is lying **** star paying stink. Or hippie lefty socialist communes? I'm betting there is a whole lot of middle ground.

In who's "middle"ground do you pitch your tent?

 

[Hemirunner]

Wow. Aren't we the chipper one? So are only choice is lying **** star paying stink. Or hippie lefty socialist communes? I'm betting there is a whole lot of middle ground.

Just dosing reality. The paradigm has shifted so far left that the mainstream left is clinically insane... middle ground today is the left of yesteryear. It’s an unsustainable shift, both socially and fiscally.

 

[ws23jrt]

Just dosing reality. The paradigm has shifted so far left that the mainstream left is clinically insane... middle ground today is the left of yesteryear. It’s an unsustainable shift, both socially and fiscally.

Yep -- all in or not - is what its like to be on the left side of life these days. I am convinced that the flat earthers of today will even deny that there is a bottom to the flat earth they live on.

 

[Dennis H]

https://news.yahoo.com/elon-musk-tesla-needs-cut-180656865.html

Without taxpayers, would have been out of money years ago.
Lost 700 Million first quarter!

 

[ws23jrt]

https://news.yahoo.com/elon-musk-tesla-needs-cut-180656865.html

Without taxpayers, would have been out of money years ago.

Thanks to our --now energy independence--from foreign countries-- we can now use --our own- fossil fuels (and workforce) to generate electricity to fill the batteries of the -taxpayer-subsidized- company that makes the Tesla. How cool is that?

 

[SteveSS]

What if we were zero emissions? China and India will make up for any cuts we make. The only thing that will impress China is tariffs and Libs are against them because it's DJT's idea.

 

[ws23jrt]

What if we were zero emissions? China and India will make up for any cuts we make. The only thing that will impress China is tariffs and Libs are against them because it's DJT's idea.

This is a simple way of bringing ---perspective--- back into the conversation.
If AOC and her "new green deal" were to be effective (as her urgency states) it should include that the United States of America imposes -on the rest of the countries of the world- that they comply to our agenda.

AOC is a child living on a flat earth in her bedroom with stuffed animals for comfort.
Sadly -many fully grown humans -infest our government that -like AOC- have yet to step out into the real world.

 

[Photon440]

Sometimes it seems like people say they're in favor of tax cuts to spur corporate investment, grow the economy, etc. Unless Tesla is involved. I don't understand it.

 

[Richard Cranium]

This is a simple way of bringing ---perspective--- back into the conversation.
If AOC and her "new green deal" were to be effective (as her urgency states) it should include that the United States of America imposes -on the rest of the countries of the world- that they comply to our agenda.

AOC is a child living on a flat earth in her bedroom with stuffed animals for comfort.
Sadly -many fully grown humans -infest our government that -like AOC- have yet to step out into the real world.

That woman/child is a ball of stupid energy.

 

[Dipstick]

When I think about discussions about "science" this is an example -of what I have come to know about -and appreciate. - When political discussions are used to cherry-pick stuff from scientific studies- that can feed an agenda. ---It tends to get kinda creepy

And you might have noticed that that cherry-picking is done by both sides of any political discussion. Of course, only the cherry-picked stuff that matches the agenda of those on this forum is deemed credible.