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More bad news at Tesla motors...

this was from the science community too

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Oh Im sure fuel has a impact and with the population there is . its huge. But I think us as users have been use to it for so long. Some of us think its part of life. Alot of us depend on it as well. As for automakers sink or swim with no hand outs. Thats my opinion. Electric cars and steam cars were a dream to some folks from days gone by and they failed. I dont think the were handed any funds to try to recover. Some great ideas back in the day after the horse buggys
Some people just plain prefer electric power. Even Henry Ford's wife Clara wouldn't go near a Model T; she drove a Detroit Electric. One of these cars set a record of traveling 241 miles on a single charge in 1915 (yes, it had regenerative braking just like new electrics). And at that time, with thousands of these cars around, New York City had charging stations everywhere. Things change, then sometimes change back.
 
Some people just plain prefer electric power. Even Henry Ford's wife Clara wouldn't go near a Model T; she drove a Detroit Electric. One of these cars set a record of traveling 241 miles on a single charge in 1915 (yes, it had regenerative braking just like new electrics). And at that time, with thousands of these cars around, New York City had charging stations everywhere. Things change, then sometimes change back.
And the taxpayers didn’t have to pick up the tab.
 
I'm not sure of your position? Those pics are correct. NY harbor is 12" higher in just 80 years. This being measured now. Greenland's ice sheet is 20+% less than just 50 years ago. This **** is happening. Climate does change naturally. But that is measured in thousands of years. What is being witnessed now? In decades. Besides. If you're a performance believer? Tesla P100D vs Dodge Demon? The clock don't lie.
 
It's not the fact that "weather changes"
from decade to decade,
climate change, or weather changing
& the conditions of the atmosphere is real
it's been happening since the beginning of mankind on earth
before we even climbed out of the primordial ooze

calling people names, calling people stupid
& insulting people intelligence
& it isn't the way to get any points across

Just because they believe something different
or saw something different that wasn't the MSM (lefts) narrative
that constantly shoved down our throats, most of it is Globalist/UN
or Tax generation from Carbon tax to supplement govt.'s
or the Globalist/UN agenda BS (New green deal asinine BS)

now the localized pollution is a man created deal
there's no denying it, just look at China & India
but changing the whole world, I'm not so sure about that

so what made the earth climate change before mans time here ?
we are a mere spec a minute fraction of time, in the earths/worlds history

I think it's far more a natural occurrence than "the MSM narrative"
or even many of the "so called" bought & paid for, climate science tells US
their models have been proven wrong over & over again
Science is always right, it's a best guess at the moment, educated guess sometimes
not all the time...

"Huge Money" has a way of corrupting & changing the facts/truth/reality...

Personally, I think it has far more to do with volcanoes, fires,
methane from the oceans & rotting vegetation,
more water surface area to reflect the warmth of the sun
deforestation etc. etc. etc., many, many different things, not just man/humans

or maybe it's our orbit to/around the sun, solar events/flares etc.
changes US far more than man ever has
we have no control over & we never will
Just fear tactics in many cases, many people eat it up...

Some can think for themselves...

It's pretty damn lame, arrogant narcissistic, to only look at one side,
to think "only man", has created this scenario too...

Yes we have changed our envirornment, but to change "weather" isn't
the "climate change/global warming" (or what ever the newest fear/hotline/name is),
like the scientists have tried to push for the past 27+ years

It seems & IMO, most of the paranoia "is about cash"
green/eco-Nazi/activists/extremist deals scams
just as much as the deniers say it's BS
it's altered science to fit an agenda, who's paying for the grant/study
will generally tell you the truth

that part has been proven

Mother Nature has a strange way of fixing things
or throwing a curveball at human/mankind

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I'm not sure of your position? Those pics are correct. NY harbor is 12" higher in just 80 years. This being measured now. Greenland's ice sheet is 20+% less than just 50 years ago. This **** is happening. Climate does change naturally. But that is measured in thousands of years. What is being witnessed now? In decades. Besides. If you're a performance believer? Tesla P100D vs Dodge Demon? The clock don't lie.


Funny, I found these in a quick search of "sea level rise in last 100 years".....

Since at least the start of the 20th century, the average global sea level has been rising. Between 1900 and 2016, the sea level rose by 16–21 cm (6.3–8.3 in.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise

How much has sea level risen over the last 100 years? Sea level change over the last 100 years can be estimated from tide gauge data. These data reflect both water level changes and vertical land movement and the two have to be separated in order to estimate changes in sea level. Another problem is that the tide gauge data are not evenly distributed, but show a bias towards the continental coastal margins of the Northern Hemisphere, in particular, North America, Europe and Japan. Despite the uncertainties, global mean sea level is thought to have risen substantially over the last 100 years. Based on available analyses the rise over the last 100 years has been in the range 10-20 cm.

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/documents/421974/1295957/Info+sheet+#10.pdf/30611b7b-888d-45cb-bee3-1575b14e2e70


....so how does one explain why the water in NY harbor is higher than the rest of the world in only 80 years versus 116 years?
 
Oh yeah Bud. Your post isn't condensing or fact less? The climate change we are experiencing doesn't care what I or Bud thinks. And it's accelerating. Every new updated status and model suggests it's worse than first reported. The scientific concensus is scary. And these are people who historically fights among themselves. But no worries. What do they know? We have BUD! (Sorry, but you have no data to confirm anything you posted.) I can post data from a dozen atmospheric, oceanic, geographic and climate science models. All saying the same thing.
 
Funny, I found these in a quick search of "sea level rise in last 100 years".....

Since at least the start of the 20th century, the average global sea level has been rising. Between 1900 and 2016, the sea level rose by 16–21 cm (6.3–8.3 in.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise

How much has sea level risen over the last 100 years? Sea level change over the last 100 years can be estimated from tide gauge data. These data reflect both water level changes and vertical land movement and the two have to be separated in order to estimate changes in sea level. Another problem is that the tide gauge data are not evenly distributed, but show a bias towards the continental coastal margins of the Northern Hemisphere, in particular, North America, Europe and Japan. Despite the uncertainties, global mean sea level is thought to have risen substantially over the last 100 years. Based on available analyses the rise over the last 100 years has been in the range 10-20 cm.

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/documents/421974/1295957/Info+sheet+#10.pdf/30611b7b-888d-45cb-bee3-1575b14e2e70


....so how does one explain why the water in NY harbor is higher than the rest of the world?
Because maybe land shelves differ from place to place? Are you kidding?
 
There are 2 Camps. Over there. The feel good greenies, and the money grabbers. You can have a plastic straw, but it will cost you a dime - while the streets of San Fransico are filled with needles and human waste. That’s an environmental issue too. Don’t hear a peep.
 
What the hell happened to Minnesnowta? Did the wind change direction?
That cap is staying off now.
 
How about
getting back to the org. topic at hand ?
Tesla in trouble


not going down this climate change, globalist grants, tax & spend, political BS

this thread is destined to be moved or deleted at this rate
 
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I say move it and bring it on. I’ll only put the cap on to drive the car.
 
This is not an opinion. It's science. And the "denying" crowd just needs to be ignored.


Here is the conundrum. -"science" is a word that describes an activity/language one engages in.
Saying the results of research in a --scientific field- are inherently correct just because of the word science is used is weak for conversation.

To make an observation in the world of -"science" investigation- and calling any found results to be --therefore true--is absurd.

With their absolutely no facts or studies counter argument.

So the scientific observations made by the "denying crowd" are to be dismissed in the ongoing discussion?

I always laugh at the mantra from years ago--"The debate is over"- :) It implies that all learning -has already taken place and any further endeavor to continue to learn is futile.
I do understand (in a way) the thinking of those that have reached the pinnacle of understanding -the final nature of "nature'.:wetting:

I also feel the -frustration based- empathy they feel for those that still insist on asking questions.-(BTW they are also called "scientists")
Personally, I do not feel offended in the least to be in the crowd that "just needs to be ignored" --when it comes from "The debate is over"-crowd.
 
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What the hell happened to Minnesnowta? Did the wind change direction?
That cap is staying off now.
Lol. Actually we might be one of the few places that might benefit from change. But I wouldn't hold my breath. (Unless have too?)
 
How about
getting back to the org. topic at hand ?
Tesla in trouble


not going down this climate change, globalist grants, tax & spend, political BS

this thread is destined to be moved or deleted at this rate
You're right a bit off topic. I don't think it's a surprise Musk's ego is finally catching up to him. What the hell was that launching one of his car in orbit? That's just too stupid.
 
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