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Where is Fiat going? Opinion

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Where is Fiat going? Opinion
Fiat leadership took control of Chrysler in 2009, And has gone global.....Is Fiat Lumping all Brands of Chrysler,Dodge ,Plymouth into The mopar Brand name ? Mopar did refer to auto parts for decades ... Are we losing Brand Identify ? What is Fiats true focus....It just feels like we are losing are history....:lurk:
 
Fiat is going the same place they have for the last 40 years - in the tank. Only this time they are taking Chrysler with them. The only thing that ever kept that company afloat was Italian government assistance. Now that they have reached over here and the Italian government is about belly up the only thing that will save them is Obama if he is still around.. They have never been able to develop their brand outside of Italy to any great extent because their quality and designs were so poor.
 
They are actully doing much better with Chrysler Corp. now, then when all the Detroit "Good Old Boys" were in charge, taking big salaries & the unions taking kick backs & runing the show, taking extravagent pay raises, bonuses/perks &/or benefits every time they turned a corner, wheather they were profitable or not... I personally have no idea of their financial issues in regaurds to Itlaly & their govt., the Ferrari or Fiat brands... I really doubt Pres. Obama can &/or will be able to do anything for them, unless it's proping up the union labor & pension again... He isn't on the board & he's a {GM} Govt. Motors guy...LOL... It's the Autoworkers Union consessions & cuts in managment, that ultimately made them able to be successfull/profitable recently, the Italians/Fiat Management team & Board of Directors that will ultimately either "kill them off completely" or make them work & "run successfully/profitable" here with Chrysler-Jeep-Ram-SRT-Viper & Mopar Performance Parts flagships let alone the Fiat brand... That's My 2 cents anyway...
 
Seems like Mopar brands are heading in the right direction. I'd like to see Chrysler work on having the 300 compete more with CTS by adding wagon(woodgrain!), coupe, convertible. An Escalade competitor would be good too, but they probably are at top of the market with their minivan. The rumored SRT Hemi Cuda will be good if it comes out out too.
 
I lost all interest in the future of Chrysler when Plymouth went away. They can't lose our history because history is in the past, and that's why I focus on the older cars and not the new crap coming out of Chrysler (with the exception of the Challenger).
 
If they brought the Plymouth name back and made a new Satellite, I'd buy one tomorrow. Or a Road Runner, for that matter, provided it was a proper 2 door, which I why I never bought a new Charger. Plus I'm a Plymouth guy... :)
 
Its too early in the morning for too much insight and verbosity, at least for me, but it is my humble opinion that Fiat will try to keep Chrysler as they are deriving great benefit from it. Fiat is worldwide, and does fair to middlin' in the ROW. Plus, they manufacture heavy and agricultural equipment as well. [MaSnart can tell you about that as I remember] They have never done well in the US due to several factors, not the least of which was the simple fact that their cars are NOT designed for Americans or our topography. Plus, in the mid to late 70s when the window of golden opportunity for small cars to gain a foothold in America was thrown open, they were experiencing reliability [and rust] problems on a scale theretofore unknown. [credit the rise and radicalisation of unions and the extreme left government at the time dictating steel being bought from Russia. At one point from the mid 70s thru the early 90s, Italy had the highest percentage of communist party members in the "West" outside of 'the iron curtain' nations] They also lacked a decent dealer/service/parts network and failed to invest in one. They, like many European makes. simply did not understand that America is a whole 'nuther thing, and we dont put up with a lot of stuff like waiting forever on parts, oil leaks, and overheating...
Fiat has long had engineering offices in Detroit - almost all of their emissions engineering has been done here as well as quite a bit of safety/crash testing also. And this after their exit from our market. They have historically also 'rented' lab space and facilities from Ford [in the 90s] , so now they have their own. The engineering prowess that Chrysler brings to the table, as well as facilities and dealer network in the world's largest consumer market simply cannot be overlooked.
The other thing that I think is key here is Jeep. The brand alone is worth billions; never mind the product. The Jeep line is the one thing that has kept Chrysler afloat for years [off and on] - Fiat would be insane to try and absorb it or water it down. Plymouth [wrongly imho] met its fate long before Fiat came into the picture. Dodge and to a limited extent Chrysler, have too strong of a presence to be eradicated I believe. Spinning the trucks off into "Ram" was an 'interesting' move tho...
So I dont think that they are gonna try and simply liquidate the nameplate. We will see more 'badge engineering' such as the Dart thats really an Alfa Romeo. That may not be a bad thing - Alfa has made some really great cars over the years and small-ish, performance cars that get good gas mileage are their forte. And when hussein's handlers make sure we have $6 / gallon gasoline, those ugly little Fiat 500s may just keep the dealerships and Mother Mopar alive for awhile.
I just hope they dont try and take a page out of Mercedes playbook and just gut us [ChryCo] then leave us to bleed...
 
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Good observations, Malamute!
From my perspective inside the belly-of-the-beast, they needed us as much as we needed them. The mgmt structure here is totally fucked-up. They would be better-off to pay them to just sit in their offices and NOT TOUCH ANYTHING!!!!! Sergio does demand accountability. Sergio can now also hit the Italian autoworkers over the head with the concessions he got over here. Fair enough, you CANT tell me that an Italian auto worker works harder than us!!!
I did coin a joke here that took off...."Chrysler being "rescued" by Fiat, is like being adrift in a lifeboat in the North Atlantic....And being "rescued" by the Titanic!"
BTW, the heavy industry part of Fiat has been spun-off to its own, separately listed, company.
Got a funny feeling that Auburn Hills might become Chrysler/Fiat world HQ.
 
Really how many extra people would be in a Dodge, if a Charger 2 door was available though?
 
Let's face reality; Fiat bought Chrysler as a way to get a footing into the US market again. Personally, the Challenger is the only vehicle that Chrysler/Dodge makes that appeals to me. Currently, I have a '01 R/T Classic, but if they came out with a 426 equipped SRT, or even a 2-door Charger (with a retro-styled front end) I would strongly consider trading up.

It really wouldn't surprise me to see Chrysler/Dodge go away some time in the (near) future. The first steps were already taken by segregating Ram & Viper into their own divisions seperate from Dodge. If/when Chrysler/Dodge tanks, Ram & Viper will simply be sold off much like the Jeep brand was decades ago.
 
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