Just a Thought EV

[Kern Dog]

How many dang threads do we need bashing or discussing EV? We’ve beat the dead horse so much the bones have been pulverized to where now ya’ll are just hitting dirt

It sure seems like the OP is trying to rally the troops to HIS side of the Electric Vehicle crowd.
It is people like this, and topics like this that motivate some people to IGNORE at least the thread.
Upper left corner near the top of the page, the three dots with the down arrow:

Click on that....you can IGNORE a thread by doing that.
I don't care to read topics when just the thought of them annoy me, so......POOF, gone from view.

 

[64BEL]

Only in Madison....

Station 8 Welcomes First Production-Model Electric Engine​

posted February 19, 2025 - 10:45am

Nearly four years ago, the Madison Fire Department became the first ever municipal fire department to welcome an electric fire engine to its fleet. The model welcomed in 2021 was a prototype on loan from Pierce Manufacturing in Appleton. Madison played a pivotal role as one of three departments in the country to participate in an extensive in-service testing period.
After testing out the prototype and working closely with Pierce to provide feedback based on our experiences, MFD welcomes the first production model Volterra Electric Pumper to Fire Station 8 on Lien Road. It was placed into service on Monday, February 17, 2025.
"Electric Engine 8" is designed to mirror the performance of traditional fire trucks while advancing sustainability standards within the fire service. It features a 1,500 gallons-per-minute single-stage pump and a 500-gallon water tank for full emergency response capabilities. It carries an assortment of fire and EMS equipment to support MFD's emergency response capabilities.
At the same time, the Volterra Electric Pumper provides zero-emissions operation while in EV mode and is powered by a 246 kWh-capacity battery. This means reduced firefighter exposure to diesel emissions, improving health and safety in the station and on scene. It also features quieter operations than traditional diesel engines, allowing for improved communication on emergency calls. It has the ability to seamlessly transition to an internal combustion engine during extended operations.
Crews at Station 8 welcome the production model Volterra and have already noted the new model's smoother and more efficient transmission, quieter over-the-road handling, and ample battery life, among other innovative features.
Fire Station 8 is located in the East Towne area of Madison and is one of the busiest fire stations in the City.


This content is free for use with credit to the City of Madison Fire Department.

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An electric firetruck puts out blazes in Madison, Wisconsin​

The truck’s quiet engine makes it easier for firefighters to talk during calls, and it doesn’t spew diesel pollution into the firehouse.

by YCC TeamJune 12, 2025

(Image credit: Daniel Holland / Unsplash)

Transcript:
Madison, Wisconsin’s new fire truck seems like any other fire truck – shiny and red with a wailing siren.
But unlike most other fire trucks, this one runs on electricity instead of diesel fuel.
Wong: “From the outside, if you didn’t know it was electric, you wouldn’t really know.”
That’s Matt Wong of the Madison Fire Department.
The department started testing a prototype electric fire truck a few years ago and put this new production model truck into service in February.
Wong says it’s fit into their operations seamlessly.
Wong: “We have never run the thing out of battery, even on the prototype version on electric driving mode. … I don’t know if we’ve ever got it below 50% in our daily usage.”
But the truck has a backup diesel engine, just in case.
Electric fire trucks are generally more expensive up front than traditional models.
But Wong says the new truck runs quietly, which means no one has to yell over the engine during calls, and he says it’s fun and easy to drive.
Wong: “It feels kind of like a rocket ship compared to some of the other, older diesel engines that we have.”
The electric truck is also healthier for firefighters because it does not spew toxic diesel fumes into the firehouse.
And it does not produce carbon pollution either, so it helps reduce the city of Madison’s contribution to climate change.
Reporting credit: Ethan Freedman / ChavoBart Digital Media

 

[64BEL]

FU64RY - I admire your open mindedness and willingness to put your thoughts out there. I've been reading your other thread on your electric car. As others have said, not my cup of tea, but it's interesting to hear about and I'm glad you're happy with it. I think EVs are best suited for urban travel, and towing long distances is still a ways away from an infrastructure and capability standpoint. The cost needs to come way down before it pays for all the fossil fuel it's trying to replace.

 

[chargervert]

Waiy until it catches fire in the firehouse and burns the firehouse down,and cannot be extinguished! I like how they say it doesn't produce carbon emissions.....until they plug it in that is.....a little fact the greenies always intentionally forget to mention.

 

[DeltaV]

Only in Madison....

Station 8 Welcomes First Production-Model Electric Engine​

posted February 19, 2025 - 10:45am
View attachment 1906987
Nearly four years ago, the Madison Fire Department became the first ever municipal fire department to welcome an electric fire engine to its fleet. The model welcomed in 2021 was a prototype on loan from Pierce Manufacturing in Appleton. Madison played a pivotal role as one of three departments in the country to participate in an extensive in-service testing period.
After testing out the prototype and working closely with Pierce to provide feedback based on our experiences, MFD welcomes the first production model Volterra Electric Pumper to Fire Station 8 on Lien Road. It was placed into service on Monday, February 17, 2025.
"Electric Engine 8" is designed to mirror the performance of traditional fire trucks while advancing sustainability standards within the fire service. It features a 1,500 gallons-per-minute single-stage pump and a 500-gallon water tank for full emergency response capabilities. It carries an assortment of fire and EMS equipment to support MFD's emergency response capabilities.
At the same time, the Volterra Electric Pumper provides zero-emissions operation while in EV mode and is powered by a 246 kWh-capacity battery. This means reduced firefighter exposure to diesel emissions, improving health and safety in the station and on scene. It also features quieter operations than traditional diesel engines, allowing for improved communication on emergency calls. It has the ability to seamlessly transition to an internal combustion engine during extended operations.
Crews at Station 8 welcome the production model Volterra and have already noted the new model's smoother and more efficient transmission, quieter over-the-road handling, and ample battery life, among other innovative features.
Fire Station 8 is located in the East Towne area of Madison and is one of the busiest fire stations in the City.


This content is free for use with credit to the City of Madison Fire Department.

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An electric firetruck puts out blazes in Madison, Wisconsin​

The truck’s quiet engine makes it easier for firefighters to talk during calls, and it doesn’t spew diesel pollution into the firehouse.
View attachment 1906988by YCC TeamJune 12, 2025

View attachment 1906989(Image credit: Daniel Holland / Unsplash)

Transcript:
Madison, Wisconsin’s new fire truck seems like any other fire truck – shiny and red with a wailing siren.
But unlike most other fire trucks, this one runs on electricity instead of diesel fuel.
Wong: “From the outside, if you didn’t know it was electric, you wouldn’t really know.”
That’s Matt Wong of the Madison Fire Department.
The department started testing a prototype electric fire truck a few years ago and put this new production model truck into service in February.
Wong says it’s fit into their operations seamlessly.
Wong: “We have never run the thing out of battery, even on the prototype version on electric driving mode. … I don’t know if we’ve ever got it below 50% in our daily usage.”
But the truck has a backup diesel engine, just in case.
Electric fire trucks are generally more expensive up front than traditional models.
But Wong says the new truck runs quietly, which means no one has to yell over the engine during calls, and he says it’s fun and easy to drive.
Wong: “It feels kind of like a rocket ship compared to some of the other, older diesel engines that we have.”
The electric truck is also healthier for firefighters because it does not spew toxic diesel fumes into the firehouse.
And it does not produce carbon pollution either, so it helps reduce the city of Madison’s contribution to climate change.
Reporting credit: Ethan Freedman / ChavoBart Digital Media

A self-extinguishing fire truck!

 

[chargervert]

Personally as KD said,I am glad to hear the OP is happy with his purchase. I thought I would be happy to see the Charger name back on a two door car. But EVs with fake exhaust sounds don't do it for me. Going 112 mph,but feeling like you are going 60 mph,smooth and quiet doesn't excite me either,might as well just go 60 mph and not get a ticket. The new Charger is a let down compaired to the absolute beasts the Charger and Challenger it replaced are. Some drink the koolaid,I shotgun a beer!

 

[64BEL]

Waiy until it catches fire in the firehouse and burns the firehouse down,and cannot be extinguished! I like how they say it doesn't produce carbon emissions.....until they plug it in that is.....a little fact the greenies always intentionally forget to mention.

The emissions thing may have been relevant 20 years ago, but I can tell you that standing next to a modern fire engine while it's running today is nothing like it used to be before DEF. The inside of the exhaust pipes are as clean as the day they rolled off the assembly line. I'm sure there are still some cancer causing particulates, but it's not like it used to be.

I believe the Madison EV engine cost around a cool $1 mil. About double the cost of a diesel powered engine. And note that it has a back up diesel engine in it anyway. Can't have the pump run out of power during a fire!

 

[DeltaV]

Solid state batteries do not have a flammable liquid electrolyte and solid state batteries are less susceptible to thermal runaway as compared to lithium ion batteries. Don't ask about cost!

Battery technologies (energy storage) continue to evolve and improve.

I currently have no compelling need for an EV.

 

[Detective D]

Only in Madison....

Station 8 Welcomes First Production-Model Electric Engine​

posted February 19, 2025 - 10:45am
View attachment 1906987
Nearly four years ago, the Madison Fire Department became the first ever municipal fire department to welcome an electric fire engine to its fleet. The model welcomed in 2021 was a prototype on loan from Pierce Manufacturing in Appleton. Madison played a pivotal role as one of three departments in the country to participate in an extensive in-service testing period.
After testing out the prototype and working closely with Pierce to provide feedback based on our experiences, MFD welcomes the first production model Volterra Electric Pumper to Fire Station 8 on Lien Road. It was placed into service on Monday, February 17, 2025.
"Electric Engine 8" is designed to mirror the performance of traditional fire trucks while advancing sustainability standards within the fire service. It features a 1,500 gallons-per-minute single-stage pump and a 500-gallon water tank for full emergency response capabilities. It carries an assortment of fire and EMS equipment to support MFD's emergency response capabilities.
At the same time, the Volterra Electric Pumper provides zero-emissions operation while in EV mode and is powered by a 246 kWh-capacity battery. This means reduced firefighter exposure to diesel emissions, improving health and safety in the station and on scene. It also features quieter operations than traditional diesel engines, allowing for improved communication on emergency calls. It has the ability to seamlessly transition to an internal combustion engine during extended operations.
Crews at Station 8 welcome the production model Volterra and have already noted the new model's smoother and more efficient transmission, quieter over-the-road handling, and ample battery life, among other innovative features.
Fire Station 8 is located in the East Towne area of Madison and is one of the busiest fire stations in the City.


This content is free for use with credit to the City of Madison Fire Department.

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An electric firetruck puts out blazes in Madison, Wisconsin​

The truck’s quiet engine makes it easier for firefighters to talk during calls, and it doesn’t spew diesel pollution into the firehouse.
View attachment 1906988by YCC TeamJune 12, 2025

View attachment 1906989(Image credit: Daniel Holland / Unsplash)

Transcript:
Madison, Wisconsin’s new fire truck seems like any other fire truck – shiny and red with a wailing siren.
But unlike most other fire trucks, this one runs on electricity instead of diesel fuel.
Wong: “From the outside, if you didn’t know it was electric, you wouldn’t really know.”
That’s Matt Wong of the Madison Fire Department.
The department started testing a prototype electric fire truck a few years ago and put this new production model truck into service in February.
Wong says it’s fit into their operations seamlessly.
Wong: “We have never run the thing out of battery, even on the prototype version on electric driving mode. … I don’t know if we’ve ever got it below 50% in our daily usage.”
But the truck has a backup diesel engine, just in case.
Electric fire trucks are generally more expensive up front than traditional models.
But Wong says the new truck runs quietly, which means no one has to yell over the engine during calls, and he says it’s fun and easy to drive.
Wong: “It feels kind of like a rocket ship compared to some of the other, older diesel engines that we have.”
The electric truck is also healthier for firefighters because it does not spew toxic diesel fumes into the firehouse.
And it does not produce carbon pollution either, so it helps reduce the city of Madison’s contribution to climate change.
Reporting credit: Ethan Freedman / ChavoBart Digital Media

As long as that blue pinpoint down there in a sea of a red state are footing the entire bill for what they vote for with this truck, I don't care.
If "state aid" was applied, I DO care. Or federal, for that matter. There were obvioulsy less expensive, just as potent(for the job at hand) units available. The state is not the military, they do not need cutting edge new tech to do a job.
Again, if the people voting for it down there are paying for this, I don't care, more power to them. That is not usually how things go though for something like this.

 

[chargervert]

Once it fails,it will end up parked behind the fire station,like all those electric buses the government bought that don't work either.

 

[Photon440]

Only in Madison....

Station 8 Welcomes First Production-Model Electric Engine​

posted February 19, 2025 - 10:45am
View attachment 1906987
Nearly four years ago, the Madison Fire Department became the first ever municipal fire department to welcome an electric fire engine to its fleet. The model welcomed in 2021 was a prototype on loan from Pierce Manufacturing in Appleton. Madison played a pivotal role as one of three departments in the country to participate in an extensive in-service testing period.
After testing out the prototype and working closely with Pierce to provide feedback based on our experiences, MFD welcomes the first production model Volterra Electric Pumper to Fire Station 8 on Lien Road. It was placed into service on Monday, February 17, 2025.
"Electric Engine 8" is designed to mirror the performance of traditional fire trucks while advancing sustainability standards within the fire service. It features a 1,500 gallons-per-minute single-stage pump and a 500-gallon water tank for full emergency response capabilities. It carries an assortment of fire and EMS equipment to support MFD's emergency response capabilities.
At the same time, the Volterra Electric Pumper provides zero-emissions operation while in EV mode and is powered by a 246 kWh-capacity battery. This means reduced firefighter exposure to diesel emissions, improving health and safety in the station and on scene. It also features quieter operations than traditional diesel engines, allowing for improved communication on emergency calls. It has the ability to seamlessly transition to an internal combustion engine during extended operations.
Crews at Station 8 welcome the production model Volterra and have already noted the new model's smoother and more efficient transmission, quieter over-the-road handling, and ample battery life, among other innovative features.
Fire Station 8 is located in the East Towne area of Madison and is one of the busiest fire stations in the City.


This content is free for use with credit to the City of Madison Fire Department.

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An electric firetruck puts out blazes in Madison, Wisconsin​

The truck’s quiet engine makes it easier for firefighters to talk during calls, and it doesn’t spew diesel pollution into the firehouse.
View attachment 1906988by YCC TeamJune 12, 2025

View attachment 1906989(Image credit: Daniel Holland / Unsplash)

Transcript:
Madison, Wisconsin’s new fire truck seems like any other fire truck – shiny and red with a wailing siren.
But unlike most other fire trucks, this one runs on electricity instead of diesel fuel.
Wong: “From the outside, if you didn’t know it was electric, you wouldn’t really know.”
That’s Matt Wong of the Madison Fire Department.
The department started testing a prototype electric fire truck a few years ago and put this new production model truck into service in February.
Wong says it’s fit into their operations seamlessly.
Wong: “We have never run the thing out of battery, even on the prototype version on electric driving mode. … I don’t know if we’ve ever got it below 50% in our daily usage.”
But the truck has a backup diesel engine, just in case.
Electric fire trucks are generally more expensive up front than traditional models.
But Wong says the new truck runs quietly, which means no one has to yell over the engine during calls, and he says it’s fun and easy to drive.
Wong: “It feels kind of like a rocket ship compared to some of the other, older diesel engines that we have.”
The electric truck is also healthier for firefighters because it does not spew toxic diesel fumes into the firehouse.
And it does not produce carbon pollution either, so it helps reduce the city of Madison’s contribution to climate change.
Reporting credit: Ethan Freedman / ChavoBart Digital Media

They're in Canada as well. Calgary got its first Volterra in July 2024, while Vancouver had its first electric fire truck in 2023, but was a different brand (Rosenbauer).

 

[OneWheelPeel]

I think I’ve been pretty supportive of EVs in the other thread, but the start to this thread seems almost troll like, or at least very ignorant.

 

[1 Wild R/T]

So, if we keep raising fuel costs EV's will eventually become economically viable...

If the doesn't work maybe we can legislate the additives in fuel to reduce mileage & reliability... Maybe a nice biofuel... How about changing the oil so breakdowns become more common?

Fuels & Lubricants had improved by leaps & bounds from the 1940's through the 1990's.... Then they became targets for improvements made by people outside the petroleum industry...

So.... Are EV's really a good fit for all applications? They work for fire engines, generally only need to travel short distances with the added bonus of occasionally providing fires of their very own...

As a source of power for cars, again shorter distances they shine, longer distances not so much, but they are improving...

Over the road trucks??? Good luck with that, maybe short haul routes...

I have lots of friends that work in agriculture, lately there's been a significant push for EV farm equipment.... When you are running farm equipment often (most of the time) there are time constraints, harvest is busy, the crops need to be harvested in a small window, so the equipment needs to run for hours/days/weeks on end...

It's common to see ag equipment running overnight, stop to refuel then get back to work, operators may charge but that $250-$500,000 piece of equipment needs to keep working

A piece of equipment with a dead battery that takes hours to charge isn''t gonna work, a battery that goes dead half a mile from any power source is a big problem...

These new EV tractors cost substantially more but work substantially less...

 

[Kern Dog]

If some guy decides to get on a forum and starts a thread on how being a vegetarian is THE WAY TO BE, that is fine. I can choose to IGNORE the thread or the person that starts it.
When that person starts TWO threads and repeats the same sentiments, it seems like the person doesn't think he made his point in the first effort.
Yeah, we get it. YOU are a believer of the movement. GOOD for you. If this is a free market choice that you made instead of being mandated to do it, that is fine but know this....
I like meat. I don't have any interest in the vegetarian lifestyle and no cheerleading from others is going to change my mind. I'm not the only one either. The overwhelming majority of the forum and the public feel the same way.
I will IGNORE any future threads advocating the adoption of this trend because like Cheapsunglasses wrote, this is beating a dead horse that I never wanted to ride in the first place.

 

[Richard Cranium]

I like meat.

 

[AR67GTX]

The Charger EV is quickly racking up a reputation - and it’s not good. Do some research.

 

[Cranky]

It sure seems like the OP is trying to rally the troops to HIS side of the Electric Vehicle crowd.
It is people like this, and topics like this that motivate some people to IGNORE at least the thread.
Upper left corner near the top of the page, the three dots with the down arrow:

View attachment 1906981

Click on that....you can IGNORE a thread by doing that.
I don't care to read topics when just the thought of them annoy me, so......POOF, gone from view.

Looks like upper right to me....unless you are in the screen looking out from it

 

[WileE]

It sure seems like the OP is trying to rally the troops to HIS side of the Electric Vehicle crowd.
It is people like this, and topics like this that motivate some people to IGNORE at least the thread.
Upper left corner near the top of the page, the three dots with the down arrow:

View attachment 1906981

Click on that....you can IGNORE a thread by doing that.
I don't care to read topics when just the thought of them annoy me, so......POOF, gone from view.

And, in the category of "You learn something new every day"... this was it for me ^. So, never think a boring, redundant thread is useless.

 

[WileE]

I like meat.

 

[451Mopar]

I get 14+ MPG towing the enclosed 32' trailer with the 2005 Ram 3500, and over 20 MPG highway, and that is without the LPG.
I got nothing against electric vehicles in general. They do need better battery technology that is cheaper, safer, with better range, or maybe fuel cell technology?
I think I recently read about a hybrid GM truck that gets worse fuel mileage than the regular gas version? I don't see hybrids as a great option, twice as much stuff to go wrong.