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H-pipe, or not?

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Rebuilding my 440 6 pack. Adding Edelbrock 440 RPM heads, headers, bigger cam. I already have 3" dual exhaust and turbo mufflers. With the old engine it droned at cruise rpms. Would adding an H-pipe add enough power to make it worth the money? Would it make much difference on the sound? Could I use 2 1/2 inch pipe instead of 3" and still get the benefits?
 
they say it helps with the drone....I can't help with the other part of question...I'm running 2.25 on my cars..no "H" pipe

I got a drone on the Daytona..I suppose I should try the "H" pipe...
 
I like H-Pipes, because one, they even out the exhaust flow from side to side, and two, they reduce the farty sound on deceleration especially when down shifting and it sounds much smoother. I did one on another car and it reduced the drone on the low end, but it did change it and there is a bit of a drone at higher speeds, but not nearly as loud. My RR has H-pipe, and I have not noticed much of a drone, but I don't have a lot of drive time on it yet.
 
I'd advise the X pipe instead. The X softens the exhaust tone and increases torque and HP more than an H. It is more difficult to install but I think it is worth it.
I also have a 3" system on a 440/493 with Dynomax Welded Ultra Flow mufflers. I am quite happy with the sound. It never droned before but the Flowmasters did reverberate due to the design.
 
If your3" setup is good, just add a crossover pipe to it.

X2 - It helped a bunch on my other street rod . . . YES . . . don't think 2 1/2 will make a difference - it should help out.
 
I personally prefer the sound of a H pipe over a X pipe, yes the x makes more power over the h but it depends on personal preference.
 
The shop quoted about $400 labor plus the parts. May next year...
 
The shop quoted about $400 labor plus the parts. May next year...


WHAT ? ? ? If your pipes are in good shape now, then all they have to do is add the H-pipe . . . on my 66 Shoe Box, the shop that put the pipes on my car didn't add the H-pipe, and the reverberations in the car were BAD . . . so I went back there, and asked about adding the H-pipe - the same guy added the H-pipe for me and I slipped him $20 . . . and out the door I went . . . it took him all of 5 minutes ! !

$400 . . . are they wanting to replace the whole system ? ? ? ? Go to another shop and ask about just "adding" the H-pipe . . . no more, no less . . .

Want to make a quick trip down to Charlotte NC . . . might be able to get you hooked up ! ! ! ( smile )
 
SummitRacing carries "Balance Tube" kits (its an H) for $60-$120 (3") depending on aluminized vs stainless...T-connectors, clamps, cross-tubing, all in for not much dough. X-pipe kits too, although I think the install might be a little more involved for the X.
 
Two cents worth.

Since Mopar did plenty of testing on all the motor stuff, the thoughts on what I've seen are.
H-pipe helped 'even' the exhaust, from right bank to left bank.
Two and a half inch pipes created the best 'back flow' for the exhaust, to set the savenging effect at valve overlap.
 
400 $ LABOR ???? Ship the car to me.... I will do the job for a 100 $ and a 6 pack:icon_lol:

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btw...I am running HP manifolds..2.5 tubes Magnaflow mufflers.. without h or x Sounds great :headbang:
 
I personally prefer the sound of a H pipe over a X pipe, yes the x makes more power over the h but it depends on personal preference.
I'd run an H-Pipe with his set-up already... easiest/quickest & cheapest possible resolve

The dreaded drone, is more than likely from too big of diameter, improper sized tubing/exhaust pipes, for your engines output/needs &/or not enough heat being developed &/or causing a resonance/reverb pulsation sound wave, in your exhaust... often blamed on or attributed to solely Flowmasters mufflers... the H-Pipe will help some with that too...

It's only marginally "maybe a 1-2 hp difference" at best, over the H-Pipe & only if everything is absolutely perfect, the X-pipe or H-Pipe is installed in the proper position, with the proper size tubing for your exact combo... Right where the exhaust is cooling in the pipes, to draw the heated exhausted/scavenged charge pulses from the opposite/other bank...

I'll share a trick with ya' taught to me by an old S/S racer to figure out how long a header extension should be used when running open headers... there's an old trick; use some white shoe polish, put a line down the pipe from about 6" off the headers or where the pipe starts to run flat towards the rear {if you have OEM cast iron exhaust manifolds}, go about 30" towards the rear of the car, from that with a good solid line of shoe polish with the little spongy head on it, let dry completely, now fire up the car, bring up-to about 3000-3500 RPM, hold it there for a 15 second count or so {longer or slightly higher RPM if necessary, to get the discoloration & duplicate cruising speeds}, where the shoe polish starts to burn or turn really brown, begins to discolor the most, is where the leading edge of either the H or X-pipe should be correctly installed...

I'd bet you could NOT ever tell/feel the difference in Hp, between the H or X pipes... I've seen & read studies & comparisons both ways too... Believe what you will, but not everything you read in the publications/mags or on the www is real/true, they're selling parts for specific advertisers, a little biased sometimes too, it's the flavor of the month...
IMHFO it really comes down to your specific combo, it's not one size fits all & where it's installed in you system, to actually benefit from the crossover/exhaust scavenging...

That's my $0.02 cents, Happy Moparing
 
I always run an H pipe.

Pretty cool method there Bud! I heard the same trick trying to find the optimum collector length. One guy I know tried it and every time he cut it at the burned paint area and rechecked the result by putting more paint, a new spot would burn off prompting another cut. He said I ended up cutting several times and the paint kept burning off closer to the head. This was on a Harley I think. But the cross over pipe installation might be different. It's a known fact that a pressure wave builds up in the system at a specific RPM and engine tuning combo, so increasing the diameter of the pipe at that point (or adding a crossover) will help scavenging.
 
That's a great Top Tip, there Buds!!

here's my baby with her h-pipes and dynomax mufflers...

[video=youtube;3kq2K1-6y_4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kq2K1-6y_4[/video]
 
factory hemi and 440 cars got an H pipe so it must have been there for a reason.
 
That's a great Top Tip, there Buds!!

here's my baby with her h-pipes and dynomax mufflers...

[video=youtube;3kq2K1-6y_4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kq2K1-6y_4[/video]

Damn Mar, hurt my neck watching that f@cking vid. Rotate the camera next time....sound was excellent though.
 
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