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Project is at a stand still machine shop screwed up

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I picked up the bare block after having new cam bearings installed but when I got home the cam wouldn't turn and I had to pry it out of the block. I took it back two weeks ago and haven't heard anything. I know they do a lot of commercial engine work so that's why I trusted them. I guess I'll call and see if they can do it right or not.
 
Very common.. You can't just drive them in & expect the cam to turn, They can be hand scraped but the easiest & best method is to use the old cam as a scrapping tool...

Use a die grinder with a cut-off wheel to cut slices across all five bearing journals, now use the cam to fit the bearings, turn it as it goes in, you'll need to remove it & clean the slices a few times but with patience & a little effort it's a pretty easy fix...
 
i have done a lot of cam barring installs and NEVER HAD a problem i would never given them a second chance a machine shop should have q /c check if not there not worth any money.
 
Yeah like R/T said pretty common unfortunately and some solid suggestions if your building the engine in your garage with basic hand tools. Both components (cam and bearings) could possibly be towards the respective high and low tolerances making your cam a bit snug. If you have access to some micrometers and bore gages it would be a good idea to get some measurements just to see what you have to work with. Could be out of tolerance bearing or bearings, I like to see .002-.003 bearing clearance on pressured oil bearings for a street engine myself.
 
Big block mopar ill guess? The 383 in my challenger now is the only one ive ever done that the cam was free with out any work on the bearings. That said it would have been nice if they checked the fit but most likely they just installed them and called it a day. NEXT time have a bit of a chat with them and let them know your expectations. Communication goes a lot farther then bashing them on the web. It would have saved you a trip back to the shop. So I'm putting this on YOU
 
Big block mopar ill guess? The 383 in my challenger now is the only one ive ever done that the cam was free with out any work on the bearings. That said it would have been nice if they checked the fit but most likely they just installed them and called it a day. NEXT time have a bit of a chat with them and let them know your expectations. Communication goes a lot farther then bashing them on the web. It would have saved you a trip back to the shop. So I'm putting this on YOU


i have worked in the auto tech for 40 years and my reputation is everything if i tell you i will machine your engine THAT MEANS I CHECK ALL TOLERANCE OF THE ENGINE FOR FIT AND FINNICH
 
I go with the smaller outfits for mine. Had a 77 Trans Am sent to a big engine outfit in the early 90's and they Just hot tanked the motor and forgot to machine it, even painted it......lol, went to pick it up and and asked why the machine work on the ticket was not completed and the guy didn't even make eye contact. They asked to keep it and redo everything for free out of shear embarrassment, but I politely declined and took the motor to a local machinist who did a fantastic job. Small guys take longer....but boy they do more detailed job of it.
 
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I have only had two GM engines do this. One LS that I could not see why it did it, so I scraped the bearing. The other was a BBC and #3 bore was too small. The boring bit must have broke (saw evidence of that), they fixed it, but didn't finish the hole, just kept on moving forward. I had to turn the OD of the cam bearing down a few thou and install it (used green loctite on that one). Fords; maybe a few snug ones that I had to scrape. Mopar; SWEET Jesus, damn near every one needs to be scraped. The reason for this is that after the cam bearing bores are cut, the block is drilled from the mains, and all of the boogers from the hole and any gouges from installing the bearings remain because the bearings are semi-finished and final bored for the cam after installation.

Now, when a block is rebuilt down the road, "finished" cam bearings are installed in the block with the crappy cam bearing bores, and you wonder why the damn cam is too tight. All of the imperfections create high spots, and interference fit at those points. One of the last steps I do, mostly on Mopars is to use a ball hone, and clean up the cam bores to knock off the hole drilling boogers, and possibly any gouges. If there are any bores that still will cause a problem, I will clean it up with a file and/or emery cloth.

Yes, I have seen shops just slam in cam bearings and maybe the cam, but that doesn't mean we ALL do. I require the customer to bring in their cam for me to test fit after cam bearing install when they are assembling the motor. Hell, I had a friend who picked up a motor that another shop did, and he was asking me to do the rear main rope seal as he had no clue how to. First, the crank was tight as hell, and I told him that he needed to align hone the mains, then I tried to turn the cam, and it was totally immovable. I told him that needed to be fixed and his comment was 'I will just run it with the impact until it loosens up'. I rolled my eyes and walked out...
 
Very common.. You can't just drive them in & expect the cam to turn, They can be hand scraped but the easiest & best method is to use the old cam as a scrapping tool...

Use a die grinder with a cut-off wheel to cut slices across all five bearing journals, now use the cam to fit the bearings, turn it as it goes in, you'll need to remove it & clean the slices a few times but with patience & a little effort it's a pretty easy fix...
Exactly. In fact, my machine shop asked if he could keep my old cam to be modified for a cleaner. It's hanging on his rack under the bench now.
 
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Just throwing this out there, but this did happen to me. I had new cam bearings installed in my 440, and when I tried the cam in the hole it was tight, so I checked the cam and it was bent. I straightend the cam, and it fit perfectly.
 
I always check for bent cams. First cam I ever bought for my mopar was a direct connection purple shaft cam. My machinist stuck it in a lathe and it had a lot of runout in the center.
 
When you go to get your make sure they got the cam oil holes right.
 
Just like every industry now. Professional people are gone everything is done by machine and that's the way it is. You pay big bucks and trust these folks with you life sometimes and do to the professional leaving the job market the best you can get is.
I'm sorry sir could you please bring it back to me so we can see what's wrong. Really folks this stuff is not a joke. Pride has left the work force.
 
I picked up the bare block after having new cam bearings installed but when I got home the cam wouldn't turn and I had to pry it out of the block. I took it back two weeks ago and haven't heard anything. I know they do a lot of commercial engine work so that's why I trusted them. I guess I'll call and see if they can do it right or not.
Like Mopar jack said. Camshaft could be bent. I've been to a machine shop where the machinist had to unbend a camshaft. He was hitting it pretty hard to true it up.
 
Most places use one of those 'universal' cam bearing installation tools and a lot of them lets the bearing collapse just enough to make the cam too tight. I made my own tool and never had that problem again. A buddy of mine built and still builds and has problems with it all the time.

And checking a cam for runout should be the first thing done......
 
I’ve had this problem before, even 35 years ago, including with brand X motors.

Using your old cam as a cutting tool as described above works well for a shade tree. If the block is bare, I’ve seen guys have success with brake hones, crocus cloth on a die grind motor, etc. You’ll get filings in the engine with the last 2, so only if the block hasn’t been assembled.

My bet is your old cam will slip right in. But if not, it can be overcome with some simple tools and some patience.
 
Thanks for your input but like I said these guys do commercial engines and from the three times I have used them I was satisfied plus the shop is pretty busy so someone must be getting good work out of them. I spoke with them Friday and he said it will be done Monday. We shall see.
 
Very typical - my machinist doesn't do too much mopar stuff anymore but he asked me if I happened to have a cam core that he could borrow to check the cam bearings once he installed them... He remembered having this same issue multiple times on past builds.

Sometime things just get overlooked - I wouldn't hang a company over a relatively minor mistake - but that's me.
 
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