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Aluminum Vs Steel Driveshafts

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I've been driving Ford Police Interceptors for decades now, and all the 1992-2005 came with high performance aluminum driveshafts. Since I'm going to have to change driveshafts when I put the 440 in my road runner, I was thinking about going with an interceptor aluminum shaft if I can make it fit. I can get one at the local junkyard for $20, so they're a good deal.

Any opinions on aluminum vs steel shafts?
 
Well, he did say 'almost' all :D
 
only diff is weight.newer technology allows aluminum alloys to be just as strong as the steel ones.any weight savings is a performance gain,so there you go.most drive shaft shops should be able to mod that shaft to fit for a nominal charge.just make sure to get it balanced.
 
Dont forget carbon fiber drive shafts. Im personally looking at the chrome moly.
 
Im about to have a drive shaft done for my dart any more info on how hard it would be to have a alumi done from a crown vic?
 
I guess I need to get under my 2004 Interceptor and measure the length of the driveshaft.
 
only diff is weight.newer technology allows aluminum alloys to be just as strong as the steel ones.any weight savings is a performance gain,so there you go.most drive shaft shops should be able to mod that shaft to fit for a nominal charge.just make sure to get it balanced.

Is there any balance between weight savings and a loss in rotating balance and inertia? You know, could something with that kind of length to diameter difference be TOO light for the application if strength is equal?

I replaced my driveshaft last year and the driveline shop said a mild steel shaft in 3" diameter was just as good as a smaller diameter chrome moly steel shaft and he claimed it balanced and perform better than a 2.5" shaft due to decreasing the length to diameter ratio, so now I have a 3" mild steel shaft on my car. I didn't check out aluminum shafts but I know that the Denny's driveshafts are super expensive.

Anyone else running 3"?
 
Who was bein smartass? I am dead serious. GM used fiberglass drive shafts in almost all their half ton trucks from 88-98.

Here is but one of many companies that offer them.

http://www.strongwell.com/selected_markets/comp_driveshaft/

WOW, i thought you were taking the piss out of him, a fibreglass driveshaft hmmm wouldnt handlke a lot of torque would it.

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i have a 3" mild steel shaft on my 68 charger but it looks like a factory shaft
 
If the Ford one fits, let us know.

I use the Dodge truck units, but another source is always good news.

As far as aluminum vs. steel, aluminum has a far lower resonance frequency than steel so the ride/noise is smother.

Think of a bell made from steel vs. aluminum. Aluminum has dramatically reduced standing waves at any given frequency. Since aluminum shafts have proven to be more than strong enough for anything less than max performance use, it is much superior.

Weight reduction (if any) is just a bonus.
 
If the Ford one fits, let us know.

I use the Dodge truck units, but another source is always good news.

As far as aluminum vs. steel, aluminum has a far lower resonance frequency than steel so the ride/noise is smother.

Think of a bell made from steel vs. aluminum. Aluminum has dramatically reduced standing waves at any given frequency. Since aluminum shafts have proven to be more than strong enough for anything less than max performance use, it is much superior.

Weight reduction (if any) is just a bonus.

where is the approximate line for bolded (I have 4 speed if it matters) and what is the weight for steel for average b-body vs aluminum ones you are using?
 
It would depend entirely on the thickness, and/or taper of the aluminum, the weight of the car, torque of the engine, tire selection, and a myriad of other factors.

If you need an aluminum shaft for a manual race type car, I would buy a new one from a very reputable manufacturer based on their recommendations for your needs.

For a good/cheap upgrade to your average performance B body (Auto or manual), The truck ones have proven to be quite strong. How strong??? I cant' quantify, particularly with a manual "race type" car, but if you don't subject your car to more stress than a heavy truck (that may also be towing something), Their driveshafts work very well as a retro-fit.

I know the aftermarket produces aluminum shafts that will handel massive power, but I don't know if the stock (fitted) truck ones can even come close, but they seem to be fairly trouble free in 600 +- HP big block cars with autos.

As for weight difference, the truck ones are only about 8 pounds lighter than most stock steel B body units (probably near double that for the stock shafts that have the big steel front weights), plus they don't need the huge weights that are attached to some of the transmissions as vibration dampers. --- My guess is that in a best case scenario, the aluminum shaft can save close to 25 pounds over a stock set-up, but probably less.

The aluminum shafts are noticeably smoother running. Nothing earth shaking, but an upgrade none the less, and much easier to find than a stock B-body shaft, as well as cheaper to obtain (purchase of J.Y. shaft, shortening, balancing), than a new custom made steel shaft.

I know this doesn't answer your questions, so I would strongly suggest you contact someone like Dennys, or other reputable manufacturer for specific recommendations if you have a high powered, high traction, manual car. --- Also, please let us know what you find out so we can all benefit.
 
Aluminum also has a reduced shock loading effect on the drive train. the slight flex in it can dampen some of the jolts. I have some some fully twisted tho. So I guess that I'd be looking at a custom one from a drive shaft maker with a warranty on the power it can take.

Carbon Fibre is really strong, but becomes brittle and will shatter when you hit the point of no return. Can't say whether thats earlier or later then a steel / ali shaft failing, but it is something to keep in mind.
 
It would depend entirely on the thickness, and/or taper of the aluminum, the weight of the car, torque of the engine, tire selection, and a myriad of other factors.

If you need an aluminum shaft for a manual race type car, I would buy a new one from a very reputable manufacturer based on their recommendations for your needs.

For a good/cheap upgrade to your average performance B body (Auto or manual), The truck ones have proven to be quite strong. How strong??? I cant' quantify, particularly with a manual "race type" car, but if you don't subject your car to more stress than a heavy truck (that may also be towing something), Their driveshafts work very well as a retro-fit.

I know the aftermarket produces aluminum shafts that will handel massive power, but I don't know if the stock (fitted) truck ones can even come close, but they seem to be fairly trouble free in 600 +- HP big block cars with autos.

As for weight difference, the truck ones are only about 8 pounds lighter than most stock steel B body units (probably near double that for the stock shafts that have the big steel front weights), plus they don't need the huge weights that are attached to some of the transmissions as vibration dampers. --- My guess is that in a best case scenario, the aluminum shaft can save close to 25 pounds over a stock set-up, but probably less.

The aluminum shafts are noticeably smoother running. Nothing earth shaking, but an upgrade none the less, and much easier to find than a stock B-body shaft, as well as cheaper to obtain (purchase of J.Y. shaft, shortening, balancing), than a new custom made steel shaft.

I know this doesn't answer your questions, so I would strongly suggest you contact someone like Dennys, or other reputable manufacturer for specific recommendations if you have a high powered, high traction, manual car. --- Also, please let us know what you find out so we can all benefit.

thanks for your excellent and thorough response q-ship, i'm planning a build on a car, not racing ... yet anyway though i suspected the quick transfer of power of a manual might be more a shock than auto but didn't have and idea of your definition of maximum power. i agree based on this thread salvage yard aluminum shafts mentioned seem like a no brainer.
 
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