Anyone know? 70 RT - VIN XS29U0G148125
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This episode of Graveyard Cars goes into some really good details about chargers. It is about verifying a 69 hemi charger. He uses a sales rep book that lists options and what things come standard with the R/T package. At the least it is entertaining for Charger fans.
I believe he said that the R/T came standard with power brakes? This car has manual brakes?
Not a 100% on that but it makes sense to require power brakes with a 440 or hemi. The R/T package had a lot come standard especially the suspension. You can zoom in on the book too if you freeze the video at times.
It's not the same year but he mentions some great information about the serial numbers and how they are stamped. Also the fender tag how it is stamped and he goes through the options on the tag.
Before you watch this - answer this. Was it possible to get AC if you ordered a 440 with a four speed trans? Watch to find out.
I believe he said that the R/T came standard with power brakes? This car has manual brakes?
Not a 100% on that but it makes sense to require power brakes with a 440 or hemi. The R/T package had a lot come standard especially the suspension. You can zoom in on the book too if you freeze the video at times.
It's not the same year but he mentions some great information about the serial numbers and how they are stamped. Also the fender tag how it is stamped and he goes through the options on the tag.
Before you watch this - answer this. Was it possible to get AC if you ordered a 440 with a four speed trans? Watch to find out.
Thanks man! Funny, the GYC spotlighted 70 Charger on this episode is same EB7 color, U code, same St Louis plant, built 19 days after the one in this post.
Btw, it’s official power brakes (drum or discs) were optional - w/o big Tony’s cooberation however.
I have two 68 R/T Chargers (one automatic & one 4 speed) that came standard with manual drum brakes.
You could get a 440 4-speed with a/c in 1967, but no longer in 1968 forward.
My 2 cents...block looks like restamp. Trans stamp looks legit.
Triple pickle 318 automatic car now sporting a 440. Seems strong, but it looks really nice.
Someone wanted it bad.
I like seeing strong numbers on '70 Chargers as mine is a factory XP29N0G with 4 speed.
Represented as a rebuilt motor. I don’t yet have any details, when what where. Do builders purposely grind down and restamp for some ethical point?
A Rookie here. Just trying to learn.
Thanks Wayne! Ditto here on the strong numbers!!! … immediately after my next transaction would be nice.Triple pickle 318 automatic car now sporting a 440. Seems strong, but it looks really nice.
Someone wanted it bad.
I like seeing strong numbers on '70 Chargers as mine is a factory XP29N0G with 4 speed.
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I've been hiding in the weeds, watching which way this thread would go. Interesting that three pages of text, and no one has been able to answer the OP's original, and significant, question. The Charger in question reminds me a lot of my former A33 GTX, which has been bouncing from dealer to dealer since I sold it in 2021. Both cars optioned alike, with desirable colors, and extremely photogenic. The GTX has changed hands at a significant premium over book value. I'd expect the same from this Charger if it is the real deal.
The difference is I had history back to the second owner, and original selling dealer before I ponied up for a plane ticket to inspect. Restoration photos that carried weight were a series taken when the engine was pulled from the car to be rebuilt. Original crusty paint still around the stamping. Red flags went up when I personally checked for the pan rail stamping, and it had been painted over. Seller was honest, but a bit innocent in his marketing of the car. When I sanded the paint off, the stamping perfectly matched the photos.
I consigned that car to Mecum in 2020 to test the market, only to be cancelled by Covid. One thing I remember well was the boilerplate in the consignment contract. The language spelled out draconian legal penalties for anyone marketing a car as number matching if it later turned out to be otherwise. Ignorance was not a defense. If this car had been through the Mecum circuit, I'd assign a bit more weight to the numbers matching claim.
This Charger would be a terrific car even without the original engine. The bigger question is whether a numbers matching price is justified with cards currently on the table.
The difference is I had history back to the second owner, and original selling dealer before I ponied up for a plane ticket to inspect. Restoration photos that carried weight were a series taken when the engine was pulled from the car to be rebuilt. Original crusty paint still around the stamping. Red flags went up when I personally checked for the pan rail stamping, and it had been painted over. Seller was honest, but a bit innocent in his marketing of the car. When I sanded the paint off, the stamping perfectly matched the photos.
I consigned that car to Mecum in 2020 to test the market, only to be cancelled by Covid. One thing I remember well was the boilerplate in the consignment contract. The language spelled out draconian legal penalties for anyone marketing a car as number matching if it later turned out to be otherwise. Ignorance was not a defense. If this car had been through the Mecum circuit, I'd assign a bit more weight to the numbers matching claim.
This Charger would be a terrific car even without the original engine. The bigger question is whether a numbers matching price is justified with cards currently on the table.
Hello sir. And I am appreciative that you came out those weeds with your typically thoughtful, detailed response. I can feedback to some of your points but of course seriously welcome anything additional from other members.
Oh, and by coincidence only there was the priceless opportunity for a multi-hour stroll down memory lane with the original owner from June 1969. Probably the next best thing to the car handed down me through my own family.
Anyway, not a usual circumstance obviously and not expected here
As it unfolded the fella that bought my road runner didn’t see or inspect it. Maybe he was too trusting but I felt his respect. Unsolicited I added some language to our contract to this effect (although prob far less than ‘draconian’)
Gratefully,
70BabyBlue
I definitely thought it was worth the long shot but didn’t have high hopes to the specific vehicle history - BUT, to your point, there’s a 10 spot in it for any from anyone here or a distant relative.
So, would it be bad of me to glom on to the real BabyBlue moniker and change Bleep Bleep to ‘70 BabyBlue’? (no worries, just kidding)
Different opinions about the materiality of this but you especially know I couldn’t agree more with you. The complete owner history that came with the 69 road runner ended up aiding my final decision to buy after I talked at length with a gracious prior owner who primarily invested the time and money to bring it to its current quality. That car had changed hands a number of times and I suspect, for what it may be worth, the Charger has also.
Oh, and by coincidence only there was the priceless opportunity for a multi-hour stroll down memory lane with the original owner from June 1969. Probably the next best thing to the car handed down me through my own family.
Anyway, not a usual circumstance obviously and not expected here
It’s good to get this sage advice from a couple people here. I am going in person to inspect in detail like you helped me with on the road runner. In the Charger case I am equally fortunate to have a local, generous guy with vast experience specific to 70 Chargers going with me.
As it unfolded the fella that bought my road runner didn’t see or inspect it. Maybe he was too trusting but I felt his respect. Unsolicited I added some language to our contract to this effect (although prob far less than ‘draconian’)
I recently sent a detailed note to the dealer to the current owner. Could get a flat no but asking for information that could fill a lot of current unknowns about the car as it was when they sold it. Suspect for privacy reasons I get the stiff arm.
Gratefully,
70BabyBlue
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