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Cheap hemi superbird !!!!!

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Is anyone else amazed that despite all the hoopla there was in the 1970s about Hemi cars, it seems like every single one that comes up for sale has just a relative handful of miles on it? I guess every guy who bought a Hemi car drove it for a year or two and then parked it... for 43 years. Yeah, that must be it. You never see one with 132,000 miles, or 232,000 miles, but all of them seem to have less than 50,000 miles.

It couldn't be that someone's is taking advantage of a five-digit odo? :)
 
How do you know that for sure? Unless you've owned the car since new.
 
Don't forget gas jumped shortly after these cars were made ,that hemi was/is very thirsty they probably couldn't afford to drive them after a year or so ,and they couldn't sell them because know one else wanted a guzzler.
 
Well, after paying $900K on cars - I wouldn't afford driving them around either...

Someone else described it as the Barrett Jackson Delusional Symptom....
 
Bruzilla said:
How do you know that for sure? Unless you've owned the car since new.
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That is certainly true, but Hemi cars were special back then and continue to be special today. Hemis were expensive to buy and are also a major pain in the *** with their dual points, dual carbs and solid lifters and I would venture to say that most were not used as daily drivers. Adding the wing car factor doubles the PIA and special factor. While I don't know how many Superbirds are still around, but out of 505 Daytonas built, about 350 Daytonas still survive & that's a pretty good ratio.

I bought my 1st 68 Hemi Charger in 1978 with only 16,000 miles on it. The original owners turned it into a race car around 1970 & then it sat, which explains the low miles. The 2nd owner yanked the engine & transmission & then sold me the body. I probably put on another 30,000 miles in the 14 years that I owned it.

My current 68 Hemi Charger has 25,000 miles on it and I believe that is real. The previous owner (#2) had been trying to buy this car for years because it was sitting in plain sight, but eventually persistence and luck paid off for him. He told me that he only drove the car once & slowly took it apart to attempt a restoration. I came along 18 year later and bought it. Now, you may ask me why I believe that my car has original miles? It's because of condition. Up here, the old iron only lasted about 4 years before cancer struck. At that time, an average 5 year old daily driver with 75,000 miles on it had major rot on every panel.

But then, there are those who simply bought there cars as a toy and drove them sparingly. Today, you can find plenty of low mileage late-70's Trans Am's GNX's, Shelbys, Vipers & Ford GT's that hit the market. The same will hold true for Hellcats in the years to come. Heck, my 5 year old Challenger R/T has only 20,000 miles on it right now.

Of course there are many that have had their odometers rolled back, but I can only vouch for mine.

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Bb70charger500 said:
Don't forget gas jumped shortly after these cars were made ,that hemi was/is very thirsty they probably couldn't afford to drive them after a year or so ,and they couldn't sell them because know one else wanted a guzzler.
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That is true. I traced down the original owner of my old 1970 Challenger R/T SE (440-6, 4 speed, Shaker) and he traded the car in back in 1974 (?) because of the escalating gas prices. He told me that got a 318 Charger that got a whopping 3 mpg better.
 
Hemis were special cars, and the people who paid extra for the engine upgrade didn't pay that extra money as an investment or so they could have the baddest engine sitting in a garage. These cars were daily drivers back then, and would have been picking up 12k-20k miles a year when used in that capacity. Some owners bought their cars just for drag racing, and these cars would have low miles, but these cars are all very well documented as to their service life. Unless the car blew an engine very early on and never got repaired, or the owner died and no one drove the car for the next 20 years until it became a collector car and mileage started to matter, all of those cars should have picked up well over 100,000 and probably over 200,000 miles.

When I was working at Ford, the set-in-stone rule was no matter how good the story from the owner, any car with a five-digit ODO that was more than five years old had to be classified as an Exceeds Mechanical Limits (EML) car when the mileage was recorded. Even the nicest, cleanest, well-maintained, cars had to be classified that way because there was no way to guarantee original mileage. This is a lot easier now with most states recording mileage as past of the registration process, but for our cars that process didn't start until after they became collectors items and keeping mileage low became a concern.

I'm sure there are a few genuine low-mileage cars out there, but what I'm seeing is pretty much every seller out there listing their car with whatever mileage is showing on the odo and not being honest about the true mileage, and there really is no way to guarantee that mileage unless they have owned the car since new, or can show a race lineage, or have some rock-solid documentation that shows the car sat for 20 or 30 years and why it did. And this doesn't just go for Hemi cars. I'm seeing this will all collectible cars. The guy who sold me my Roadrunner tried to tell me the mileage on the ODO was original miles. LOL
 
I was recently told that the first digit on the odo gets bluer the more times it has been turned over. Not sure if this is true or if there is a way to remove the ink? if there is any. I brought my car to a dealership to show to a buddy of mine right after I bought it and there was a Dodge rep looking at it explaining this method to me.
 
What New Zealand have done since at least the early 1970's is keep records at every change of ownership during a car's lifetime. And for the recent 8 years or so the odometer reading has been recorded at every National Mandatory Safety Inspection (every 6 months or annually if a car is less than 6 years old). So there is a good chance that the mileage can be verified as being true and correct here at least. Results are now available online for any car provided you know the licence plate number, and pay a small fee. This makes car buying a little easier as a real check can be produced within minutes online.
I know my GTX has true mileage, as shown below;



The big gaps to the left were a couple of spells with early owners, and the closer-together dots are my safety inspections readings. It's easier to spot a wound-back or tampered-with odometer here as the line changes to red and dips on the graph. Sometimes that can be explained away as a mis-read, which I have seen, but usually something funky happened. :icon_thumright:
 
Bruzilla said:
Hemis were special cars, and the people who paid extra for the engine upgrade didn't pay that extra money as an investment or so they could have the baddest engine sitting in a garage. These cars were daily drivers back then, and would have been picking up 12k-20k miles a year when used in that capacity. Some owners bought their cars just for drag racing, and these cars would have low miles, but these cars are all very well documented as to their service life. Unless the car blew an engine very early on and never got repaired, or the owner died and no one drove the car for the next 20 years until it became a collector car and mileage started to matter, all of those cars should have picked up well over 100,000 and probably over 200,000 miles.
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200,000 miles out of a street Hemi....seriously? I would think that any Mopar from that era going 200,000 miles and looking like it has only 50,000 would be rarer than a real low-mileage car.


Check this thing out and tell us why think the odometer has rolled.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/4983227767.html
 
Yikes..... I can tell ya right now NJRR me & you have 2 different versions of what the definition of cheap is ..... lol :icon_redface:
 
Richard Cranium said:
200,000 miles out of a street Hemi....seriously? I would think that any Mopar from that era going 200,000 miles and looking like it has only 50,000 would be rarer than a real low-mileage car.


Check this thing out and tell us why think the odometer has rolled.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/4983227767.html
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When I evaluate a car, I look at the driver's door panels, under the column, the engine bay, the carpet, pedals, and steering wheel since these are often overlooked by someone trying to pass off a car. The only one of these shown is the engine bay, which is showing a lot of paint chipping for a 49k mile car.

Why would 200k be unheard of for a Hemi car? Do you see a lot of guys buying Hemi Chargers and Challengers today so they can sit in the garage? Also, keep in mind that in the 1960s and 1970s cars were like TVs. Most homes had one and maybe two. There were few homes with three or four cars like you see today. In the 1970s, cars, whether they had /6s or Hemis, were driven. This notion that most every Hemi or 440-6 was only driven less than 50k miles over 40+ years is a bit ridiculous. I'm sure some of them have, but not most all of them, which is how most all of them are listed.
 
Bruzilla said:
Why would 200k be unheard of for a Hemi car?
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That would be the rare exception as would be with any brand of car of that era. While today's cars can run quite nicely with well over 150,000 miles, as a whole, cars from back then just didn't last that long. Bodies would start rotting in 3 years, front ends would fall apart, heads needed vale jobs and guides (Hemis are notorious for eating up valve guides), seats would tear after only a few years, and every component under the hood would just wear out.


Bruzilla said:
Do you see a lot of guys buying Hemi Chargers and Challengers today so they can sit in the garage?
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Actually, I know of many who use their (new) Challengers as secondary vehicles, myself included. My '10 R/T Challenger just turned 20,000 miles & the only reason I'm selling it is because of the upcoming purchase of my Hellcat. That is, if my order ever gets filled.


Bruzilla said:
Also, keep in mind that in the 1960s and 1970s cars were like TVs.
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You do have a point there, but there are exceptions.
 
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