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Extreme Violence Video Involves A Police Officer VS A Knife Wielding Subject

As some here have indicated, she had a malfunction. Many officers go their entire career and never pull their service weapon in an altercation. Training time is A. Expensive, B. time consuming and C. not time spent getting police work done on the streets. Many departments spend little of their budgets on it. Shoot houses don't exist on every street corner.
As others have said, in their, and in my experience, stress shooting is something that gets results only if you have trained for it, a lot. Adrenaline jazzing through your body will have that gun barrel waving and jumping every which way.
You will be breathing hard, you will have tunnel vision and your mind will be fragmented in a zillion directions. Good luck without copious training to counteract that ****.
These very reasons are why military personnel train, train and train some more. Door kicking and room clearing are not natural talents. Period. They have to be trained into you for your actions to bear fruit and for you not to get whacked while doing them.
It aint like TV and movies fellas, they don't take one bullet and fall down dead. Unless it's in their heart or forehead. A man stocked up on drugs never even feels the rounds hitting unless they hit something vital.
In combat, or on the street for LEO's, **** happens FAST, really FAST and our modern brains are simply not wired for that sort of confrontational survival anymore. That is a talent that comes from experience, or, from lots of training.
Training is what surfaces while your mind is occupied with the zillions of thoughts streaking through your skull during a confrontation, it allows your subconscious to remember what to do while the rest of you is otherwise engaged. Like clearing a malfunction while the perp is trying to slice and dice you. And THIS event happened in broad daylight on a quiet street. Actual combat is a whole nuther level of strange.
 
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I get to do some light
Training at a local range whenever I have all my military buddies and or cop buddies we take the entire place up they know we know what we're doing and let us have at it !
Man I get sick of going to the range with morons! I had a group of kids taking selfies with there rented guns pointing them at each other .... Had to take there stuff away and kick them out (indoor range) I've seen many fools shoot the roof or the barrier between lanes !
There's a member s only range but it's $400 a year to go but there just a bunch of uppity rich guys that don't know what there doing!
So yeah maybe a new range would be a good idea tactical style
 
Sure, if you don't shoot yourself by accident. Who said anything about being a hardass ? There is only trained, and untrained. But, seeing how you have the Punisher logo as your avatar you are probably one of those wannabe Frank Castle's out there with their tacticool beard, and sleeve tats. I talk about tactical ranges because they make more sense. Like I said how many gun fights were you in? I mean you talk about .45 caliber like it's the magical man stopper that you think it is. Keep talking ****, no big deal Nancy. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

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Someone needs a range day with Jerry Miculek. Terrible target aquisition. So busy back pedaling there is no time to fall into an aggressive stance and fire. This is what happens when cops watch other cops get fried on the 6 oclock news. They wait too long to decide fire/no fire, and sometimes it doesnt end this well. What should be going through her mind is her training. Not whether she backed up enough for the prosecuter, and will I lose my job.

I know Jerry and have shot with him, he can really drive a wheel gun and is very handy with a SA one as well. I have no doubt that he or others like him could definitely provide some instruction to make you a better shooter but what he does is competition shooting, not defensive shooting. I am not saying he or another pro shooter could not provide some outstanding instruction, they can and do all the time.
 
I know Jerry and have shot with him, he can really drive a wheel gun and is very handy with a SA one as well. I have no doubt that he or others like him could definitely provide some instruction to make you a better shooter but what he does is competition shooting, not defensive shooting. I am not saying he or another pro shooter could not provide some outstanding instruction, they can and do all the time.
Agreed. I was just thinking of a consumate professional. I think I should have used Massad Ayoob as an example. He is an excellent teacher for the beat cop. Lucky guy you are, hanging out with 6 gun Jerry!
 
Maybe you and 70chall440 can setup some training sessions and show us all how real hard@sses operate.

I am not exactly sure what your issue is; I am not sure how you can disagree with the truth (that a guy got shot 16 times and survived). As to being a "hardass", again not sure what that means in your world, however if it refers to someone who spent many years training and operating in a unique and high risk environment, then I guess I qualify for that. Its not about being "better" than anyone else, its about taking a different path than most and being willing to sacrifice everything to serve this great nation and participate in events and situations that were highly hazardous because someone had to do it. This is not the place or time to go into detail about my past (I cannot speak for anyone else), but I can say that I have trained many people to do exactly what is being discussed here to include cops, but as I stated previously it is a time and resource intensive endeavor and not everyone can do it as it takes a certain type of mindset to do well. Anyone can stand on a range and play quick draw and be a hero, but real defensive training is hard, dirty work that has to be repeated until it is ingrained, and that is not something you can do over the weekend.

Police training is a double edged sword; many (on the liberal side) complain that the cops are too "militant" or "military like" already. The current "defund the police" effort will destroy what little training cops already get because training is always the easiest to cut, especially any live fire training. Sure, you can learn quite a lot using other things then live ammunition, and in fact this type of training always begins with no ammunition to learn the fundamentals, then moving on to Simmunitions or something similar and then on to live fire once a specific skill set is demonstrated by the student/officer. I can say with confidence that some people never make it past paint rounds. There are other mechanisms to conduct the training such as "virtual" systems which has some value but nothing replicates live fire but live fire and that take money to do.
 
Agreed. I was just thinking of a consumate professional. I think I should have used Massad Ayoob as an example. He is an excellent teacher for the beat cop. Lucky guy you are, hanging out with 6 gun Jerry!

Jerry is an interesting guy to be sure, very talented but then many of the pro shooters are. I cannot say Jerry and I were/are buddies, I just know him and have shot with him quite a few times. I once beat him and Mike Voight (then President of USPSA) on a stage at the DPMS Trigun; not because I was so good but because both of them screwed up. I got along and really liked Mike, he was a dick but funny as hell and a fantastic shooter (died of Cancer a few years ago, RIP). More relevant to this subject would be Bruce Piatt. fantastic shooter, world champion many times and a full time NJ cop (now retired).
 
Incredibly sad this stuff happens. Officer had to shoot him. I'm sure he didn't want to........, but this man wanted to die or worse.....to kill the officer. I hope the officer realizes that the man's death was a suicide, and that the officer himself was just a witness....
 
She did very well. That's a scary video.
9mm?
....this....

I see a few on here making comments on this officer's aim....gender......ect. Horse-****. Officer did fine. She's alive. Perp is down.
 
"the pistol didn't malfunction because it's a Glock, it malfunctioned because the attacker briefly had his hand on the slide and induced a malfunction, which the deputy cleared quickly and got back in the fight. "

Freeze the frame at 34 seconds.

"For those of you questioning her marksmanship ability, let me give you a clue about watching these videos. The Streamlight TRL series of weapon mounted lights have a habit of turning on briefly when the gun is fired. It's a very brief LED flash. If you watch closely, you can see this flash reflected from the subject and have some idea of what region of the body the bullet struck. This is common, and can be seen in many other shooting videos as well. Unless you are very careful when shooting a Glock with a TRL on it, your finger bumps the activation switch, just briefly when the gun is fired."

 
Sure, if you don't shoot yourself by accident. Who said anything about being a hardass ? There is only trained, and untrained. But, seeing how you have the Punisher logo as your avatar you are probably one of those wannabe Frank Castle's out there with their tacticool beard, and sleeve tats. I talk about tactical ranges because they make more sense. Like I said how many gun fights were you in? I mean you talk about .45 caliber like it's the magical man stopper that you think it is. Keep talking ****, no big deal Nancy. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
I SEE you NOT as a hard ***....just my thoughts.
Incredibly sad this stuff happens. Officer had to shoot him. I'm sure he didn't want to........, but this man wanted to die or worse.....to kill the officer. I hope the officer realizes that the man's death was a suicide, and that the officer himself was just a witness....

So well stated!
 
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I don't have an issue with most of what's been said, I have family/friends in LE from SERT to corrections. I won't elaborate but I’m Pro Law Enforcement. The video posted is an embarrassment to LE. It clearly displays the ineptitude of some LE officers. All the knowledge and training comments are great for a LE, but a little misplaced most can't carry legally so what's the point. get the impression some people are more show offs then professionals.

I am not exactly sure what your issue is; I am not sure how you can disagree with the truth (that a guy got shot 16 times and survived). As to being a "hardass", again not sure what that means in your world, however if it refers to someone who spent many years training and operating in a unique and high risk environment, then I guess I qualify for that. Its not about being "better" than anyone else, its about taking a different path than most and being willing to sacrifice everything to serve this great nation and participate in events and situations that were highly hazardous because someone had to do it. This is not the place or time to go into detail about my past (I cannot speak for anyone else), but I can say that I have trained many people to do exactly what is being discussed here to include cops, but as I stated previously it is a time and resource intensive endeavor and not everyone can do it as it takes a certain type of mindset to do well. Anyone can stand on a range and play quick draw and be a hero, but real defensive training is hard, dirty work that has to be repeated until it is ingrained, and that is not something you can do over the weekend.

Police training is a double edged sword; many (on the liberal side) complain that the cops are too "militant" or "military like" already. The current "defund the police" effort will destroy what little training cops already get because training is always the easiest to cut, especially any live fire training. Sure, you can learn quite a lot using other things then live ammunition, and in fact this type of training always begins with no ammunition to learn the fundamentals, then moving on to Simmunitions or something similar and then on to live fire once a specific skill set is demonstrated by the student/officer. I can say with confidence that some people never make it past paint rounds. There are other mechanisms to conduct the training such as "virtual" systems which has some value but nothing replicates live fire but live fire and that take money to do.
 
I don't have an issue with most of what's been said, I have family/friends in LE from SERT to corrections. I won't elaborate but I’m Pro Law Enforcement. The video posted is an embarrassment to LE. It clearly displays the ineptitude of some LE officers. All the knowledge and training comments are great for a LE, but a little misplaced most can't carry legally so what's the point. get the impression some people are more show offs then professionals.

Like all things in life, its a matter of prospective. Everyone here has different life experiences and the great thing with the internet and America in general is that we can all express opinion's, give advice and make comments as we see fit. As it relates to this subject, there are a few who actually have experience in this type of thing and many who do not, but everyone can say what they want.
 
In any profession some have an aptitude and some don't.
Not sure if you mentioned it but what would you have done in the same situation?

Like all things in life, its a matter of prospective. Everyone here has different life experiences and the great thing with the internet and America in general is that we can all express opinion's, give advice and make comments as we see fit. As it relates to this subject, there are a few who actually have experience in this type of thing and many who do not, but everyone can say what they want.
 
In any profession some have an aptitude and some don't.
Not sure if you mentioned it but what would you have done in the same situation?
......crapped my pants. (maybe) ......in this political climate....I'm sure every officer thinks ten times of the politics of the issue before they try to save their own lives. Hats off to all of them that serve.
 
In any profession some have an aptitude and some don't.
Not sure if you mentioned it but what would you have done in the same situation?

I did mention it, I would have never allowed the suspect to close that distance, would have either shot him earlier or would have maintained the distance. I am not saying that what she did was necessarily incorrect per se, but you have to treat a threat as a threat and in this instance the suspect was had a knife and was clearly intent on harming the officer (and anyone else). Given the current anti police effort, every cop knows that if they pull that trigger its going national and most likely not in a good way regardless of the situation, so officers hesitate as she did. In a perfect world, you provide the commands (i.e. drop the weapon, get on the ground, etc.) If they do not comply AND are advancing, you have 2 choices; #1 engage and deal with what comes next or #2 back up and try and convince them to comply and buy enough time for other officers to arrive. My fault with her was that she tried to both but did not commit to either and thus allowed the suspect to get within arms reach and slash at her at which time fear took over and she fired somewhat wildly initially, then got a little distance and cleared her malfunction and reengaged correctly; it should not have gotten to that point. People like to equate the police to the military, well what i will say about that is if this had been a military op, that guy would have been dead seconds after existing the vehicle with a weapon, or as soon as he did not drop the knife. Cops on the other hand have to do whatever they can to try and defuse the situation, give the suspect every possible opportunity to give up, etc.

Its easy to pick this apart now watching a video, but I am sure it was/is very traumatic for the officer. This is why the military and LE instill fundamentals that take over when the **** hits the fan; you do not think you react. How you react is a function of your training and the overall fact here is that in all likelihood she had not gotten much more training once out of the academy because the county didn't want to pay for it, thus she fell back on what she was taught and what she thought; meaning that if you do not continue to train, the original fundamentals and skills fade. In one organization I was in, if you were off the gun for 30 days +, you had to be retrained, but cops do not get this level of support and thus are left to figure it out on their own. The good ones seek out training on their own, go to a range frequently, etc. but the majority of cops do not and the government (at all levels) is content with the concept of just going through the academy one time and an annual qualification as being adequate (and it isn't). Not saying all cops need to train all the time, but there should be at least quarterly events and measured quantifiable testing. Unfortunately the Police unions make it almost impossible to hold them to any level of standards or to fire them, so marginal cops get worse and become bad cops.

Sorry for the rant
 
Thanks for taking the time to write!! I have a family member who was shot on duty, shot in the face with a .22 while trying to deliver a subpoena for child support. He survived with lead lodge between upper jaw and brain.
Works with K9 now.

I did mention it, I would have never allowed the suspect to close that distance, would have either shot him earlier or would have maintained the distance. I am not saying that what she did was necessarily incorrect per se, but you have to treat a threat as a threat and in this instance the suspect was had a knife and was clearly intent on harming the officer (and anyone else). Given the current anti police effort, every cop knows that if they pull that trigger its going national and most likely not in a good way regardless of the situation, so officers hesitate as she did. In a perfect world, you provide the commands (i.e. drop the weapon, get on the ground, etc.) If they do not comply AND are advancing, you have 2 choices; #1 engage and deal with what comes next or #2 back up and try and convince them to comply and buy enough time for other officers to arrive. My fault with her was that she tried to both but did not commit to either and thus allowed the suspect to get within arms reach and slash at her at which time fear took over and she fired somewhat wildly initially, then got a little distance and cleared her malfunction and reengaged correctly; it should not have gotten to that point. People like to equate the police to the military, well what i will say about that is if this had been a military op, that guy would have been dead seconds after existing the vehicle with a weapon, or as soon as he did not drop the knife. Cops on the other hand have to do whatever they can to try and defuse the situation, give the suspect every possible opportunity to give up, etc.

Its easy to pick this apart now watching a video, but I am sure it was/is very traumatic for the officer. This is why the military and LE instill fundamentals that take over when the **** hits the fan; you do not think you react. How you react is a function of your training and the overall fact here is that in all likelihood she had not gotten much more training once out of the academy because the county didn't want to pay for it, thus she fell back on what she was taught and what she thought; meaning that if you do not continue to train, the original fundamentals and skills fade. In one organization I was in, if you were off the gun for 30 days +, you had to be retrained, but cops do not get this level of support and thus are left to figure it out on their own. The good ones seek out training on their own, go to a range frequently, etc. but the majority of cops do not and the government (at all levels) is content with the concept of just going through the academy one time and an annual qualification as being adequate (and it isn't). Not saying all cops need to train all the time, but there should be at least quarterly events and measured quantifiable testing. Unfortunately the Police unions make it almost impossible to hold them to any level of standards or to fire them, so marginal cops get worse and become bad cops.

Sorry for the rant
 
Probably, but I don't buy into the .40, ,45 caliber being "manstopper" myth.

Say what? At 5-10 feet? I think any firearms knowledgeable person here will disagree.
The 9mm SUCKS.
Personally? A .44 Magnum works best
 
I have no experience of guns, but if it was real I'm surprised the guy didn't have any visible damage or was her first few shots missing him? I thought the bullets would blow big holes in him, not just a little hole with blood like in the old movies?

9mm is a weak round. I can tell you from carrying one IN COMBAT, or as a now retired Cop? The first 1-4 rounds miss a vital area, or subject is on a drug that counteracts the "Energy" of the hits. A .44 Magnum would have only needed 1 shot. PLACED Anywhere.
 
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